[Bioc-devel] Distinction between release and devel package websites

----- Original Message -----

From: "James W. MacDonald" <jmacdon at uw.edu>
To: "Andrzej Ole?" <andrzej.oles at gmail.com>
Cc: "Dan Tenenbaum" <dtenenba at fhcrc.org>, "Julian Gehring" <julian.gehring at embl.de>, "Michael Lawrence"
<lawrence.michael at gene.com>, bioc-devel at r-project.org
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2014 10:51:35 AM
Subject: Re: [Bioc-devel] Distinction between release and devel package websites

Hi Andrzej,

On 7/22/2014 1:14 PM, Andrzej Ole? wrote:

Hi all,

I think having links is useful, e.g. for someone who uses BioC
release
but wants to install by hand a particular package from the devel
branch.

I'm not sure I think this is a compelling reason for keeping the
links.
If someone is sophisticated enough to install a devel version of a
package into their release install, then surely they are
sophisticated
enough to get it from svn?

Or to know how to find the link to the tarball.

Dan

It has always struck me as odd that we try time and again to get
people
to use biocLite() to install packages, yet make it so easy for people
to
ignore this advice.

Best,

Jim

Distinct colors between release and devel make sense only if one
understands their meaning, which in the end might prove not to be
very
useful. I would rather recommend emphasizing the distinction
between
release and devel in clear text across the package landing page,
possibly in multiple places, e.g. somewhere close to the actual
package version number; for instance, add the word "devel" after
the
version number with a tooltip which will give some
explanation/warning
that this is not the stable release version.

The concept of a notification box is far from ideal because it
tends
to be annoing to the user and once dismissed 'forever' the user
won't
be warned in the future.

I think that the actual problem arises from the fact that the
release
landing pages are not clearly prioritized over the devel ones.
Maybe
this could be  addressed by preventing the devel pages from being
harvested by google? It could make also sense to emphasize (bold
face,
color, ...) the package release landing page on the result list
returned by the search engine on the BioC website. Currently, the
results for release and devel differ only in their relative path,
which can be easily overlooked, and both say "<Package> Home", see
example below:

Bioconductor - DESeq2 - /packages/release/bioc/html/DESeq2.html
           Bioconductor - DESeq2 Home
Bioconductor - DESeq2 - /packages/devel/bioc/html/DESeq2.html
           Bioconductor - DESeq2 Home


Cheers,
Andrzej

On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 6:26 PM, James W. MacDonald
<jmacdon at uw.edu> wrote:

Given that we have an ongoing problem with people inadvisedly
clicking and
installing things, is there a good rationale for allowing them to
do so?

Perhaps the landing page for each package should be stripped of
links and
replaced with some indication of the availability for each package
on the
various operating systems. There could also be a note indicating
that people
can install using biocLite().

Best,

Jim




On 7/22/2014 11:48 AM, Dan Tenenbaum wrote:

Seems like there are two problems, first that the release and
devel pages
look similar, but more importantly that people are downloading
and
installing from the package pages when they should be using
biocLite().

I am open to the suggestions for making the release/devel pages
look more
different from each other, but I think something needs to be done
about the
second problem as well. Perhaps a popup that comes up when you
click on a
package tarball saying "The best way to install this is with
biocLite(); are
you sure you want to download it?"

Whatever we do probably won't happen until after BioC2014.

Dan


----- Original Message -----

From: "Julian Gehring" <julian.gehring at embl.de>
To: "Herv? Pag?s" <hpages at fhcrc.org>, "Michael Lawrence"
<lawrence.michael at gene.com>, "Vincent Carey"
<stvjc at channing.harvard.edu>
Cc: bioc-devel at r-project.org
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2014 8:07:29 AM
Subject: Re: [Bioc-devel] Distinction between release and devel
package
websites

Hi,

Tooltips that appear while hovering over selected links are easy
to
miss.  This alone will likely not be clear enough.  We should
convey
the
information that the entire website presents a different version
of
the
package.

The idea of a notification box that can be made visible by the
individual user seems tempting.  One can combine this with an
optional
cookie, to remember the state between browser sessions.

Changing the layout of the devel page itself will also be
helpful to
make the distinction more pronounced.  Hopefully we could
approach
this
in a way that maintains the nice design of the bioc website.

Best
Julian


On 21.07.2014 21:50, Herv? Pag?s wrote:

Hi,

In addition to these suggestions, how about using a special
background
color for package landing pages in devel?

Cheers,
H.

On 07/21/2014 07:32 PM, Michael Lawrence wrote:

Or an unobtrusive "notification box" that drops down from the
top
of the
page, saying something like "this is devel"; there would be a
dismiss
button and a checkbox for whether to show again. The user is
free
to
simply
ignore it and proceed as normal.




On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 7:10 PM, Vincent Carey
<stvjc at channing.harvard.edu>
wrote:

how about a tooltip that reads "installation via biocLite()
is
the
recommended approach to Bioconductor software
acquisition, other approaches may lead to inconsistent
package-sets"
that
appears when a reader hovers over a tarball.  i would imagine
that
this is
how the "wrong package" gets installed, by manually using an
inappropriate
tarball.

wrong documentation is not so easy but the doc on the devel
branch might
have a different tooltip cautioning the readers to be sure
they
want to
read the doc on the devel version.



On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 9:39 PM, Julian Gehring
<julian.gehring at embl.de>
wrote:

Hi,

Can we make the package websites for the devel and release
version of a
package more distinguishable?

To elaborate on this: In the past, I have seen several users
having
problems with using bioconductor because they ended up on
the
wrong
page
(mostly the devel page when they would have needed the
release).
   This
resulted in getting the wrong documentation or installing
the
wrong
package.  The pages are well designed, and there is no
reason to
change
this.  However, the websites for the devel and release
version
of a

package

look almost identical, and that these two get confused seems
to
happen to
many users (me included).

If you search for a package within the bioc website, the
release
version
always comes first in the search results.  If you are coming
from the
outside (e.g. google), this may not be the case.  In fact,
googling
a few
packages names often returned only the devel page in the top
10
search
results.

What are the feelings regarding this? We could add a header
section on

the

devel page that states that this is an unstable version not
meant to be
used in production settings, and provide a link to the
respective
release
version?

Best wishes
Julian

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