Now that GAlignmentPairs supports discordant strand between mates, how hard would it be to relax that restriction on readGAlignmentPairs()? Also, would be nice if getDumpedAlignments() returned those dumped by readGAlignmentPairs(). Right now, I'm reading a GAlignments (with the extra mcols) and calling makeGAlignmentPairs(). Not so convenient. Michael
[Bioc-devel] readGAlignmentPairs with discordant strand
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-----Original Message----- From: Bioc-devel [mailto:bioc-devel-bounces at r-project.org] On Behalf Of Michael Lawrence Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 7:41 AM To: bioc-devel at r-project.org Subject: [Bioc-devel] readGAlignmentPairs with discordant strand Now that GAlignmentPairs supports discordant strand between mates, how hard would it be to relax that restriction on readGAlignmentPairs()? Also, would be nice if getDumpedAlignments() returned those dumped by readGAlignmentPairs(). Right now, I'm reading a GAlignments (with the extra mcols) and calling makeGAlignmentPairs(). Not so convenient.
I'm not sure whether this is relevant to your use case but readGAlignmentsList returns a list of paired mates, and if appropriate (based on ScanBamParam) list elements with solo travelers. The paired portion of the list can be coerced to GAlignmentPairs if the additional structure of that class is required. Martin
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It does seem like starting with the more general data structure is the better approach, but I couldn't find an easy way to move the paired subset of GAlignmentsList to GAlignmentPairs. You mention a coercion, but it's not obvious to me, unfortunately. Another approach would be a GAlignmentPairs where the unpaired reads have "missing" mates. I know GAlignments has no concept of missing, but it would get everything into a single data structure that is convenient for computing on pairs. On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 5:21 AM, Morgan, Martin <
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-----Original Message----- From: Bioc-devel [mailto:bioc-devel-bounces at r-project.org] On Behalf Of Michael Lawrence Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 7:41 AM To: bioc-devel at r-project.org Subject: [Bioc-devel] readGAlignmentPairs with discordant strand Now that GAlignmentPairs supports discordant strand between mates, how hard would it be to relax that restriction on readGAlignmentPairs()? Also, would be nice if getDumpedAlignments() returned those dumped by readGAlignmentPairs(). Right now, I'm reading a GAlignments (with the
extra
mcols) and calling makeGAlignmentPairs(). Not so convenient.
I'm not sure whether this is relevant to your use case but readGAlignmentsList returns a list of paired mates, and if appropriate (based on ScanBamParam) list elements with solo travelers. The paired portion of the list can be coerced to GAlignmentPairs if the additional structure of that class is required. Martin
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Hi Michael, Martin,
On 10/16/2015 06:48 AM, Michael Lawrence wrote:
It does seem like starting with the more general data structure is the better approach, but I couldn't find an easy way to move the paired subset of GAlignmentsList to GAlignmentPairs. You mention a coercion, but it's not obvious to me, unfortunately. Another approach would be a GAlignmentPairs where the unpaired reads have "missing" mates. I know GAlignments has no concept of missing, but it would get everything into a single data structure that is convenient for computing on pairs.
I could modify readGAlignmentPairs() to have the discordant and/or ambiguous pairs end up in th GAlignmentPairs. The ambiguous pairs could be marked as such thru a metadata col of the object or thru a proper slot. The seqnames() and strand() accessors will return * on discordant pairs. Does that sound reasonable? H.
On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 5:21 AM, Morgan, Martin < Martin.Morgan at roswellpark.org> wrote:
-----Original Message----- From: Bioc-devel [mailto:bioc-devel-bounces at r-project.org] On Behalf Of Michael Lawrence Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 7:41 AM To: bioc-devel at r-project.org Subject: [Bioc-devel] readGAlignmentPairs with discordant strand Now that GAlignmentPairs supports discordant strand between mates, how hard would it be to relax that restriction on readGAlignmentPairs()? Also, would be nice if getDumpedAlignments() returned those dumped by readGAlignmentPairs(). Right now, I'm reading a GAlignments (with the
extra
mcols) and calling makeGAlignmentPairs(). Not so convenient.
I'm not sure whether this is relevant to your use case but readGAlignmentsList returns a list of paired mates, and if appropriate (based on ScanBamParam) list elements with solo travelers. The paired portion of the list can be coerced to GAlignmentPairs if the additional structure of that class is required. Martin
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I kind of wish it would return NA for things like seqnames and strand, but yes that would be very useful.
On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 9:15 AM, Herv? Pag?s <hpages at fredhutch.org> wrote:
Hi Michael, Martin, On 10/16/2015 06:48 AM, Michael Lawrence wrote:
It does seem like starting with the more general data structure is the better approach, but I couldn't find an easy way to move the paired subset of GAlignmentsList to GAlignmentPairs. You mention a coercion, but it's not obvious to me, unfortunately. Another approach would be a GAlignmentPairs where the unpaired reads have "missing" mates. I know GAlignments has no concept of missing, but it would get everything into a single data structure that is convenient for computing on pairs.
I could modify readGAlignmentPairs() to have the discordant and/or ambiguous pairs end up in th GAlignmentPairs. The ambiguous pairs could be marked as such thru a metadata col of the object or thru a proper slot. The seqnames() and strand() accessors will return * on discordant pairs. Does that sound reasonable? H.
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-----Original Message----- From: Bioc-devel [mailto:bioc-devel-bounces at r-project.org] On Behalf Of Michael Lawrence Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 7:41 AM To: bioc-devel at r-project.org Subject: [Bioc-devel] readGAlignmentPairs with discordant strand Now that GAlignmentPairs supports discordant strand between mates, how hard would it be to relax that restriction on readGAlignmentPairs()? Also, would be nice if getDumpedAlignments() returned those dumped by readGAlignmentPairs(). Right now, I'm reading a GAlignments (with the
extra
mcols) and calling makeGAlignmentPairs(). Not so convenient.
I'm not sure whether this is relevant to your use case but readGAlignmentsList returns a list of paired mates, and if appropriate (based on ScanBamParam) list elements with solo travelers. The paired portion of the list can be coerced to GAlignmentPairs if the additional structure of that class is required. Martin
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On 10/16/2015 09:28 AM, Michael Lawrence wrote:
I kind of wish it would return NA for things like seqnames and strand, but yes that would be very useful.
Could do this for seqnames() but I'm hesitant to do this for strand(). If you look at ?strand in BiocGenerics, ?*? is used when the exact strand of the location is unknown, or irrelevant, or when the "feature" at that location belongs to both strands. A pair with discordant strand belongs to both strands. Also there is a lot of code around that assumes strand() never returns NAs. H.
On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 9:15 AM, Herv? Pag?s <hpages at fredhutch.org> wrote:
Hi Michael, Martin, On 10/16/2015 06:48 AM, Michael Lawrence wrote:
It does seem like starting with the more general data structure is the better approach, but I couldn't find an easy way to move the paired subset of GAlignmentsList to GAlignmentPairs. You mention a coercion, but it's not obvious to me, unfortunately. Another approach would be a GAlignmentPairs where the unpaired reads have "missing" mates. I know GAlignments has no concept of missing, but it would get everything into a single data structure that is convenient for computing on pairs.
I could modify readGAlignmentPairs() to have the discordant and/or ambiguous pairs end up in th GAlignmentPairs. The ambiguous pairs could be marked as such thru a metadata col of the object or thru a proper slot. The seqnames() and strand() accessors will return * on discordant pairs. Does that sound reasonable? H.
On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 5:21 AM, Morgan, Martin < Martin.Morgan at roswellpark.org> wrote:
-----Original Message----- From: Bioc-devel [mailto:bioc-devel-bounces at r-project.org] On Behalf Of Michael Lawrence Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 7:41 AM To: bioc-devel at r-project.org Subject: [Bioc-devel] readGAlignmentPairs with discordant strand Now that GAlignmentPairs supports discordant strand between mates, how hard would it be to relax that restriction on readGAlignmentPairs()? Also, would be nice if getDumpedAlignments() returned those dumped by readGAlignmentPairs(). Right now, I'm reading a GAlignments (with the
extra
mcols) and calling makeGAlignmentPairs(). Not so convenient.
I'm not sure whether this is relevant to your use case but readGAlignmentsList returns a list of paired mates, and if appropriate (based on ScanBamParam) list elements with solo travelers. The paired portion of the list can be coerced to GAlignmentPairs if the additional structure of that class is required. Martin
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Sure, "*" makes more sense for strand, given the precedent.
On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 9:55 AM, Herv? Pag?s <hpages at fredhutch.org> wrote:
On 10/16/2015 09:28 AM, Michael Lawrence wrote:
I kind of wish it would return NA for things like seqnames and strand, but yes that would be very useful.
Could do this for seqnames() but I'm hesitant to do this for strand(). If you look at ?strand in BiocGenerics, ?*? is used when the exact strand of the location is unknown, or irrelevant, or when the "feature" at that location belongs to both strands. A pair with discordant strand belongs to both strands. Also there is a lot of code around that assumes strand() never returns NAs. H.
On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 9:15 AM, Herv? Pag?s <hpages at fredhutch.org> wrote:
Hi Michael, Martin, On 10/16/2015 06:48 AM, Michael Lawrence wrote:
It does seem like starting with the more general data structure is the better approach, but I couldn't find an easy way to move the paired subset of GAlignmentsList to GAlignmentPairs. You mention a coercion, but it's not obvious to me, unfortunately. Another approach would be a GAlignmentPairs where the unpaired reads have "missing" mates. I know GAlignments has no concept of missing, but it would get everything into a single data structure that is convenient for computing on pairs.
I could modify readGAlignmentPairs() to have the discordant and/or ambiguous pairs end up in th GAlignmentPairs. The ambiguous pairs could be marked as such thru a metadata col of the object or thru a proper slot. The seqnames() and strand() accessors will return * on discordant pairs. Does that sound reasonable? H.
On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 5:21 AM, Morgan, Martin < Martin.Morgan at roswellpark.org> wrote:
-----Original Message----- From: Bioc-devel [mailto:bioc-devel-bounces at r-project.org] On Behalf Of Michael Lawrence Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 7:41 AM To: bioc-devel at r-project.org Subject: [Bioc-devel] readGAlignmentPairs with discordant strand Now that GAlignmentPairs supports discordant strand between mates, how hard would it be to relax that restriction on readGAlignmentPairs()? Also, would be nice if getDumpedAlignments() returned those dumped by readGAlignmentPairs(). Right now, I'm reading a GAlignments (with the
extra
mcols) and calling makeGAlignmentPairs(). Not so convenient.
I'm not sure whether this is relevant to your use case but readGAlignmentsList returns a list of paired mates, and if appropriate (based on ScanBamParam) list elements with solo travelers. The paired portion of the list can be coerced to GAlignmentPairs if the additional structure of that class is required. Martin
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This might have been lost in this thread. If there is an easy way to coerce a GAlignmentsList where all(lengths(x) == 2) to a GAlignmentPairs, please let me know. Otherwise, I'll add a coerce method. Debating whether it should discard elements of length != 2, or if it should fail.
On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 9:58 AM, Michael Lawrence <michafla at gene.com> wrote:
Sure, "*" makes more sense for strand, given the precedent. On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 9:55 AM, Herv? Pag?s <hpages at fredhutch.org> wrote:
On 10/16/2015 09:28 AM, Michael Lawrence wrote:
I kind of wish it would return NA for things like seqnames and strand, but yes that would be very useful.
Could do this for seqnames() but I'm hesitant to do this for strand(). If you look at ?strand in BiocGenerics, ?*? is used when the exact strand of the location is unknown, or irrelevant, or when the "feature" at that location belongs to both strands. A pair with discordant strand belongs to both strands. Also there is a lot of code around that assumes strand() never returns NAs. H.
On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 9:15 AM, Herv? Pag?s <hpages at fredhutch.org>
wrote:
Hi Michael, Martin, On 10/16/2015 06:48 AM, Michael Lawrence wrote:
It does seem like starting with the more general data structure is the better approach, but I couldn't find an easy way to move the paired subset of GAlignmentsList to GAlignmentPairs. You mention a coercion, but
it's
not obvious to me, unfortunately. Another approach would be a GAlignmentPairs where the unpaired reads have "missing" mates. I know GAlignments has no concept of missing, but it would get everything into a single data structure that is convenient for computing on pairs.
I could modify readGAlignmentPairs() to have the discordant and/or ambiguous pairs end up in th GAlignmentPairs. The ambiguous pairs could be marked as such thru a metadata col of the object or thru a proper slot. The seqnames() and strand() accessors will return * on discordant pairs. Does that sound reasonable? H.
On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 5:21 AM, Morgan, Martin < Martin.Morgan at roswellpark.org> wrote:
-----Original Message----- From: Bioc-devel [mailto:bioc-devel-bounces at r-project.org] On
Behalf
Of Michael Lawrence Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 7:41 AM To: bioc-devel at r-project.org Subject: [Bioc-devel] readGAlignmentPairs with discordant strand Now that GAlignmentPairs supports discordant strand between mates,
how
hard would it be to relax that restriction on readGAlignmentPairs()? Also, would be nice if getDumpedAlignments() returned those dumped
by
readGAlignmentPairs(). Right now, I'm reading a GAlignments (with
the
extra
mcols) and calling makeGAlignmentPairs(). Not so convenient.
I'm not sure whether this is relevant to your use case but readGAlignmentsList returns a list of paired mates, and if
appropriate
(based on ScanBamParam) list elements with solo travelers. The paired portion of the list can be coerced to GAlignmentPairs if the
additional
structure of that class is required. Martin
Michael
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Val and I discussed this a bit, with the resolution that calling the GAlignmentPairs() constructor on the first and the second element of the GAlignmentsList was the 'easiest' way to go. ga = unlist(gal[mcols(gal)$mate_status == "mated"]) GAlignmentPairs(ga[c(TRUE, FALSE)], ga[c(FALSE, TRUE)]) (completely speculative code). If I understand correctly, there's a check in for discordant pairs in readGAlignmentPairs, but not in GAlignmentPairs itself; could be mistaken though... Martin
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This might have been lost in this thread. If there is an easy way to coerce a GAlignmentsList where all(lengths(x) == 2) to a GAlignmentPairs, please let me know. Otherwise, I'll add a coerce method. Debating whether it should discard elements of length != 2, or if it should fail. On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 9:58 AM, Michael Lawrence <michafla at gene.com<mailto:michafla at gene.com>> wrote: Sure, "*" makes more sense for strand, given the precedent. On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 9:55 AM, Herv? Pag?s <hpages at fredhutch.org<mailto:hpages at fredhutch.org>> wrote: > On 10/16/2015 09:28 AM, Michael Lawrence wrote: >> >> I kind of wish it would return NA for things like seqnames and strand, >> but yes that would be very useful. > > > Could do this for seqnames() but I'm hesitant to do this for strand(). > If you look at ?strand in BiocGenerics, ?*? is used when the exact > strand of the location is unknown, or irrelevant, or when the "feature" > at that location belongs to both strands. A pair with discordant strand > belongs to both strands. Also there is a lot of code around that > assumes strand() never returns NAs. > > > H. > >> >> On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 9:15 AM, Herv? Pag?s <hpages at fredhutch.org<mailto:hpages at fredhutch.org>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Michael, Martin, >>> >>> On 10/16/2015 06:48 AM, Michael Lawrence wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> It does seem like starting with the more general data structure is the >>>> better approach, but I couldn't find an easy way to move the paired >>>> subset >>>> of GAlignmentsList to GAlignmentPairs. You mention a coercion, but it's >>>> not >>>> obvious to me, unfortunately. >>>> >>>> Another approach would be a GAlignmentPairs where the unpaired reads >>>> have >>>> "missing" mates. I know GAlignments has no concept of missing, but it >>>> would >>>> get everything into a single data structure that is convenient for >>>> computing on pairs. >>> >>> >>> >>> I could modify readGAlignmentPairs() to have the discordant and/or >>> ambiguous pairs end up in th GAlignmentPairs. The ambiguous pairs >>> could be marked as such thru a metadata col of the object or thru >>> a proper slot. The seqnames() and strand() accessors will return >>> * on discordant pairs. Does that sound reasonable? >>> >>> H. >>> >>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 5:21 AM, Morgan, Martin < >>>> Martin.Morgan at roswellpark.org<mailto:Martin.Morgan at roswellpark.org>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Bioc-devel [mailto:bioc-devel-bounces at r-project.org<mailto:bioc-devel-bounces at r-project.org>] On Behalf >>>>>> Of >>>>>> Michael Lawrence >>>>>> Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 7:41 AM >>>>>> To: bioc-devel at r-project.org<mailto:bioc-devel at r-project.org> >>>>>> Subject: [Bioc-devel] readGAlignmentPairs with discordant strand >>>>>> >>>>>> Now that GAlignmentPairs supports discordant strand between mates, how >>>>>> hard would it be to relax that restriction on readGAlignmentPairs()? >>>>>> >>>>>> Also, would be nice if getDumpedAlignments() returned those dumped by >>>>>> readGAlignmentPairs(). Right now, I'm reading a GAlignments (with the >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> extra >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> mcols) and calling makeGAlignmentPairs(). Not so convenient. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I'm not sure whether this is relevant to your use case but >>>>> readGAlignmentsList returns a list of paired mates, and if appropriate >>>>> (based on ScanBamParam) list elements with solo travelers. The paired >>>>> portion of the list can be coerced to GAlignmentPairs if the additional >>>>> structure of that class is required. >>>>> >>>>> Martin >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Michael >>>>>> >>>>>> [[alternative HTML version deleted]] >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Bioc-devel at r-project.org<mailto:Bioc-devel at r-project.org> mailing list >>>>>> https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/bioc-devel >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> This email message may contain legally privileged and/or confidential >>>>> information. 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Cool, thanks. So does it make sense to have that as the coercion from GAlignmentsList to GAlignmentPairs? I can add it, if it seems reasonable. I'm kind of torn on whether a coercion should discard records. On Sat, Oct 17, 2015 at 8:37 AM, Morgan, Martin <
Martin.Morgan at roswellpark.org> wrote:
Val and I discussed this a bit, with the resolution that calling the GAlignmentPairs() constructor on the first and the second element of the GAlignmentsList was the 'easiest' way to go. ga = unlist(gal[mcols(gal)$mate_status == "mated"]) GAlignmentPairs(ga[c(TRUE, FALSE)], ga[c(FALSE, TRUE)]) (completely speculative code). If I understand correctly, there's a check in for discordant pairs in readGAlignmentPairs, but not in GAlignmentPairs itself; could be mistaken though... Martin
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From: Michael Lawrence [lawrence.michael at gene.com]
Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2015 9:48 AM
To: Herv? Pag?s
Cc: Michael Lawrence; Morgan, Martin; bioc-devel at r-project.org
Subject: Re: [Bioc-devel] readGAlignmentPairs with discordant strand
This might have been lost in this thread. If there is an easy way to
coerce a GAlignmentsList where all(lengths(x) == 2) to a GAlignmentPairs,
please let me know. Otherwise, I'll add a coerce method. Debating whether
it should discard elements of length != 2, or if it should fail.
On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 9:58 AM, Michael Lawrence <michafla at gene.com
<mailto:michafla at gene.com>> wrote:
Sure, "*" makes more sense for strand, given the precedent.
On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 9:55 AM, Herv? Pag?s <hpages at fredhutch.org<mailto:
hpages at fredhutch.org>> wrote:
On 10/16/2015 09:28 AM, Michael Lawrence wrote:
I kind of wish it would return NA for things like seqnames and strand,
but yes that would be very useful.
Could do this for seqnames() but I'm hesitant to do this for strand().
If you look at ?strand in BiocGenerics, ?*? is used when the exact
strand of the location is unknown, or irrelevant, or when the "feature"
at that location belongs to both strands. A pair with discordant strand
belongs to both strands. Also there is a lot of code around that
assumes strand() never returns NAs.
H.
On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 9:15 AM, Herv? Pag?s <hpages at fredhutch.org
<mailto:hpages at fredhutch.org>> wrote:
Hi Michael, Martin,
On 10/16/2015 06:48 AM, Michael Lawrence wrote:
It does seem like starting with the more general data structure is the
better approach, but I couldn't find an easy way to move the paired
subset
of GAlignmentsList to GAlignmentPairs. You mention a coercion, but
it's
not
obvious to me, unfortunately.
Another approach would be a GAlignmentPairs where the unpaired reads
have
"missing" mates. I know GAlignments has no concept of missing, but it
would
get everything into a single data structure that is convenient for
computing on pairs.
I could modify readGAlignmentPairs() to have the discordant and/or
ambiguous pairs end up in th GAlignmentPairs. The ambiguous pairs
could be marked as such thru a metadata col of the object or thru
a proper slot. The seqnames() and strand() accessors will return
* on discordant pairs. Does that sound reasonable?
H.
On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 5:21 AM, Morgan, Martin <
Martin.Morgan at roswellpark.org<mailto:Martin.Morgan at roswellpark.org>>
wrote:
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Subject: [Bioc-devel] readGAlignmentPairs with discordant strand
Now that GAlignmentPairs supports discordant strand between mates,
how
hard would it be to relax that restriction on readGAlignmentPairs()?
Also, would be nice if getDumpedAlignments() returned those dumped
by
readGAlignmentPairs(). Right now, I'm reading a GAlignments (with
the
extra
mcols) and calling makeGAlignmentPairs(). Not so convenient.
I'm not sure whether this is relevant to your use case but
readGAlignmentsList returns a list of paired mates, and if
appropriate
(based on ScanBamParam) list elements with solo travelers. The paired
portion of the list can be coerced to GAlignmentPairs if the
additional
structure of that class is required.
Martin
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Hi Michael,
On 10/17/2015 12:01 PM, Michael Lawrence wrote:
Cool, thanks. So does it make sense to have that as the coercion from GAlignmentsList to GAlignmentPairs? I can add it, if it seems reasonable. I'm kind of torn on whether a coercion should discard records.
Right, the coercion won't return an object parallel to the input but you
don't have much choice. You could emit a warning to mitigate this.
2 more things:
1) We should refrain from propagating discordant pairs for now. Even
though the GAlignmentPairs container can store them, the API is not
ready. It will be easy to propagate them later. For now, the coercion
method could emit the same kind of warning emitted by
readGAlignmentPairs() about the discordant pairs being dropped.
2) You might want to propagate pairs with
mate_status %in% c("mated", "ambiguous")
instead of "mated" pairs only.
Thanks,
H.
On Sat, Oct 17, 2015 at 8:37 AM, Morgan, Martin
<Martin.Morgan at roswellpark.org <mailto:Martin.Morgan at roswellpark.org>>
wrote:
Val and I discussed this a bit, with the resolution that calling the
GAlignmentPairs() constructor on the first and the second element of
the GAlignmentsList was the 'easiest' way to go.
ga = unlist(gal[mcols(gal)$mate_status == "mated"])
GAlignmentPairs(ga[c(TRUE, FALSE)], ga[c(FALSE, TRUE)])
(completely speculative code). If I understand correctly, there's a
check in for discordant pairs in readGAlignmentPairs, but not in
GAlignmentPairs itself; could be mistaken though...
Martin
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Subject: Re: [Bioc-devel] readGAlignmentPairs with discordant strand
This might have been lost in this thread. If there is an easy way to
coerce a GAlignmentsList where all(lengths(x) == 2) to a
GAlignmentPairs, please let me know. Otherwise, I'll add a coerce
method. Debating whether it should discard elements of length != 2,
or if it should fail.
On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 9:58 AM, Michael Lawrence <michafla at gene.com
<mailto:michafla at gene.com><mailto:michafla at gene.com
<mailto:michafla at gene.com>>> wrote:
Sure, "*" makes more sense for strand, given the precedent.
On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 9:55 AM, Herv? Pag?s <hpages at fredhutch.org
<mailto:hpages at fredhutch.org><mailto:hpages at fredhutch.org
<mailto:hpages at fredhutch.org>>> wrote:
> On 10/16/2015 09:28 AM, Michael Lawrence wrote:
>>
>> I kind of wish it would return NA for things like seqnames and strand,
>> but yes that would be very useful.
>
>
> Could do this for seqnames() but I'm hesitant to do this for strand().
> If you look at ?strand in BiocGenerics, ?*? is used when the exact
> strand of the location is unknown, or irrelevant, or when the "feature"
> at that location belongs to both strands. A pair with discordant strand
> belongs to both strands. Also there is a lot of code around that
> assumes strand() never returns NAs.
>
>
> H.
>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 9:15 AM, Herv? Pag?s <hpages at fredhutch.org
<mailto:hpages at fredhutch.org><mailto:hpages at fredhutch.org
<mailto:hpages at fredhutch.org>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Michael, Martin,
>>>
>>> On 10/16/2015 06:48 AM, Michael Lawrence wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It does seem like starting with the more general data structure is the
>>>> better approach, but I couldn't find an easy way to move the paired
>>>> subset
>>>> of GAlignmentsList to GAlignmentPairs. You mention a coercion, but it's
>>>> not
>>>> obvious to me, unfortunately.
>>>>
>>>> Another approach would be a GAlignmentPairs where the unpaired reads
>>>> have
>>>> "missing" mates. I know GAlignments has no concept of missing, but it
>>>> would
>>>> get everything into a single data structure that is convenient for
>>>> computing on pairs.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I could modify readGAlignmentPairs() to have the discordant and/or
>>> ambiguous pairs end up in th GAlignmentPairs. The ambiguous pairs
>>> could be marked as such thru a metadata col of the object or thru
>>> a proper slot. The seqnames() and strand() accessors will return
>>> * on discordant pairs. Does that sound reasonable?
>>>
>>> H.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 5:21 AM, Morgan, Martin <
>>>>Martin.Morgan at roswellpark.org
<mailto:Martin.Morgan at roswellpark.org><mailto:Martin.Morgan at roswellpark.org
<mailto:Martin.Morgan at roswellpark.org>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
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<mailto:bioc-devel-bounces at r-project.org><mailto:bioc-devel-bounces at r-project.org
<mailto:bioc-devel-bounces at r-project.org>>] On Behalf
>>>>>> Of
>>>>>> Michael Lawrence
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 7:41 AM
>>>>>> To:bioc-devel at r-project.org
<mailto:bioc-devel at r-project.org><mailto:bioc-devel at r-project.org
<mailto:bioc-devel at r-project.org>>
>>>>>> Subject: [Bioc-devel] readGAlignmentPairs with discordant strand
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now that GAlignmentPairs supports discordant strand between mates, how
>>>>>> hard would it be to relax that restriction on readGAlignmentPairs()?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also, would be nice if getDumpedAlignments() returned those dumped by
>>>>>> readGAlignmentPairs(). Right now, I'm reading a GAlignments (with the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> extra
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> mcols) and calling makeGAlignmentPairs(). Not so convenient.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not sure whether this is relevant to your use case but
>>>>> readGAlignmentsList returns a list of paired mates, and if appropriate
>>>>> (based on ScanBamParam) list elements with solo travelers. The paired
>>>>> portion of the list can be coerced to GAlignmentPairs if the additional
>>>>> structure of that class is required.
>>>>>
>>>>> Martin
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Michael
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