R version on gifi
Standard Apple stuff (such as anything in /usr, including X11) will not be included in the installer package, but everything needed in /usr/local will I assume it will work with XFree86/XDarwin and with OroborosX, but I am not going to test it with those, because I don't use them anymore. I am sure that if more people want /sw, then it will just stay in. I am just saying that as far as my distribution (and Stefano's) are concerned it is not needed any more. Of course you can always use it if you want to by setting LDFLAGS. I try to avoid fink because it is a maze of nasty dependencies between packages, which we do not need for R. It is also very inconvenient and potentially disastrous to have duplicates of binaries and dynamic libs in /sw and /usr/local and /usr. For instance, when Apple added ncurses, many things went wrong. Fink is getting more and more system-foo packages to deal with cases in which there are alternative installs, and this will obviously become worse over time as more and more gets added to Darwin. So (a) from the point of view of R fink is overkill, and (b) fink has been great to have around for three years but it is reaching the end of its usefulness period. Only my opinion, of course. Your impression that R is moved away from "just another Unix variant" is correct only insofar as RAqua is being added as another GUI. All the other GUIs (Terminal, Tcl/Tk, XTerm) remain available, and for those savvy enough to build R fink and gnome can still be used. There will just be no binaries. --- Jan
On Monday, Jun 16, 2003, at 11:45 US/Pacific, Don MacQueen wrote:
Couple of questions... Thanks -Don At 10:00 AM -0700 6/16/03, Jan de Leeuw wrote:
Pretty soon, hopefully, the RAqua version will make the Darwin/X11
version unnecessary. In the meantime, for convergence, I'll modify
the Gifi
version in various ways.
-- It's 1.7.1
-- It no longer supports gnome
-- It still uses Tcl/Tk for X11 (using 8.5 from CVS)
!! It no longer uses anything from fink (readline and dlcompat
as on Stefano's site, jpeg and png and teTeX from Gerben Wierda's
i-installer, Tcl/Tk from cvs, X11 from Apple)
Is the user expected to have separately installed any or all of these various libraries, or are they included in the R distribution and installed by the R installer? Or what? Specifically for X11, does it assume the user has separately installed Apple's X11 and QuartzWM, and if so, is it in any way dependent on anything unique to Apple's X11? That is, will it work if the user is using XFree86/XDarwin and some (any) other window manager?
-- the package installer will put everything in /usr/local This means that all references to /sw in configure.ac can go.
Do you mean that at some point in the future you intend that the configure.ac in the source distribution will remove all references to /sw? I'm not sure this is a good idea; I think I would prefer to have the option of building from sources using fink for those other things (readline, jpeg, png, tetex, etc) if I want to. Otherwise I have to learn how to get them from several other sites, increasing my system maintenance load and making it harder to keep them up to date. Can you give specific and substantive reasons why fink should be avoided? I get the impression that R for OS X is being moved away from being another unix R variant (in the sense that Solaris, various Linuxes, SGI, etc. are unix variants), and moved toward being a specialized platform-specific version. Assuming my impression is more or less correct, I'd like to understand the pros and cons of this move.
This next distribution will appear probably on wednesday. Undoubtedly some packages will break, because they still use stuff from /sw, but I'll fix those as we go along. === Jan de Leeuw; Professor and Chair, UCLA Department of Statistics; Editor: Journal of Multivariate Analysis, Journal of Statistical Software US mail: 9432 Boelter Hall, Box 951554, Los Angeles, CA 90095-1554 phone (310)-825-9550; fax (310)-206-5658; email: deleeuw@stat.ucla.edu homepage: http://gifi.stat.ucla.edu
-- -------------------------------------- Don MacQueen Environmental Protection Department Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory Livermore, CA, USA --------------------------------------
=== Jan de Leeuw; Professor and Chair, UCLA Department of Statistics; Editor: Journal of Multivariate Analysis, Journal of Statistical Software US mail: 9432 Boelter Hall, Box 951554, Los Angeles, CA 90095-1554 phone (310)-825-9550; fax (310)-206-5658; email: deleeuw@stat.ucla.edu homepage: http://gifi.stat.ucla.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------- No matter where you go, there you are. --- Buckaroo Banzai http://gifi.stat.ucla.edu/sounds/nomatter.au