GUI support from R
Prof Brian D Ripley <ripley@stats.ox.ac.uk> writes:
Rather, it becomes moot for people who want such facilities. I suspect noone wants to maintain them .... That Tcl/Tk needs a different low-level interface on different platforms is a pain: the original R tcltk package code runs on a call that only exists in Tcl/Tk for Unix. If that were to happen again, I am pretty sure that Tcl/Tk would be omitted from the Windows port of R (and I believe it is from the Classic Mac port). [...] Event-loop integration is a major issue with GUIs, and it's a toolkit issue. R is designed to run an event loop and wants to be in control.
Actually, the Tcl crowd has been expending some effort on this issue, and have seemingly come up with a notification structure that is *designed* to interact with foreign event loops. Last I looked, the Tcl sources for the event loops on the three platforms (X11/Win32/Mac) seemed to be essentially sample code that could be grafted on to an existing event loop. That didn't look like particularly simple reading though, and that was even before Tcl/Tk had threads... (in the version that shipped with RedHat, that is). I've been wanting to sink my teeth into this stuff for quite a while, because it annoys me that I understand so little of it and because I suspect that the issues are really independent of the choice of GUI and there is a lot to be learned. I rather strongly expect that the current Tcl/Tk interface could be substantially improved in the process. I'm pretty sure that the PolledEvents method we use now is plainly wrong -- it certainly is on Unix, where we had an event-handler solution in place originally, but that didn't work on Windows, at least not in that way. I sort of suspect that R itself might benefit by a similar centralization of event handling as Tcl already has, but that might be a pipe dream. Also, lack of understanding of the work of the Tcl'ers is probably the main reason that we don't have it on Classic Mac. The input handler hack that we use on X11 and Windows doesn't seem to port to that platform (right, Stefano?). Whether this is important for long enough befor OS X makes the issue moot is of course debatable.
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