Dear all, I have to develop a (hopefully) small package for R in C++. I didn't code in C++ for some years, and i'm now searching for an adequate IDE for this task. Some of my criterions : not proprietary, not too heavy, open to linux, not java gasworks, still maintained, etc After looking on several places http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_C%2B%2B_compilers_and_integrated_development_environments http://www.freeprogrammingresources.com/cppide.html + R docs I was thinking on code::blocks, and emacs (and perhaps vim) Emacs seems used by some R developers as an R editor. So i did think on emacs because it could perhaps be interesting to have the same editor for R code and C++ code. However, when looking at the last emacs windows version, it seems to date from january 2004 ... (dead end ?) ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/emacs/windows/ I will be grateful for all advices on this tool topic. Better choosing emacs ? or code::blocks ? or another idea ? Does somebody have an idea about the most used IDEs for R C++ package writing ? Thanks Vincent
IDE for R C++ package writing ?
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On Friday 23 February 2007 05:49, mel wrote:
Dear all, I have to develop a (hopefully) small package for R in C++. I didn't code in C++ for some years, and i'm now searching for an adequate IDE for this task. Some of my criterions : not proprietary, not too heavy, open to linux, not java gasworks, still maintained, etc After looking on several places http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_C%2B%2B_compilers_and_integrated_devel opment_environments http://www.freeprogrammingresources.com/cppide.html + R docs I was thinking on code::blocks, and emacs (and perhaps vim) Emacs seems used by some R developers as an R editor. So i did think on emacs because it could perhaps be interesting to have the same editor for R code and C++ code. However, when looking at the last emacs windows version, it seems to date from january 2004 ... (dead end ?) ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/emacs/windows/ I will be grateful for all advices on this tool topic. Better choosing emacs ? or code::blocks ? or another idea ? Does somebody have an idea about the most used IDEs for R C++ package writing ?
Emacs is quite nice, as it has a package for R integration called ESS (emacs speaks statistics). I do not use a GUI on Mac or Linux and just use emacs/ESS for running R as well as coding. IDE's such as Kdevelop, Eclipse, etc., have a lot of enterprise-level tools like automatic makefile generation, etc., but emacs works fine for me and what I do. Sean
You seem to mention both Linux and Windows. Emacs and XEmacs are both stable on both platforms, and I think most R developers use an emacs or vi variant for all their programming. I would not call emacs an IDE, but the main thing I find useful is to have a language-aware editor (syntax highlighting, indentation ...). If you write a package you will also need an Rd editor, and emacs/ESS is probably the best supported of those. Later versions of precompiled emacs for Windows have existed, but I am running 21.3.1 (2002) on Windows and 21.4.1 on Linux: emacs itself is very stable. If you prefer a more graphical environment, XEmacs is a good alternative and despite its name has an active Windows version.
On Fri, 23 Feb 2007, mel wrote:
Dear all, I have to develop a (hopefully) small package for R in C++. I didn't code in C++ for some years, and i'm now searching for an adequate IDE for this task. Some of my criterions : not proprietary, not too heavy, open to linux, not java gasworks, still maintained, etc After looking on several places http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_C%2B%2B_compilers_and_integrated_development_environments http://www.freeprogrammingresources.com/cppide.html + R docs I was thinking on code::blocks, and emacs (and perhaps vim) Emacs seems used by some R developers as an R editor. So i did think on emacs because it could perhaps be interesting to have the same editor for R code and C++ code. However, when looking at the last emacs windows version, it seems to date from january 2004 ... (dead end ?) ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/emacs/windows/ I will be grateful for all advices on this tool topic. Better choosing emacs ? or code::blocks ? or another idea ? Does somebody have an idea about the most used IDEs for R C++ package writing ? Thanks Vincent
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On Friday 23 February 2007 11:49, mel wrote:
Dear all, I have to develop a (hopefully) small package for R in C++. I didn't code in C++ for some years, and i'm now searching for an adequate IDE for this task. Some of my criterions : not proprietary, not too heavy, open to linux, not java gasworks, still maintained, etc After looking on several places http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_C%2B%2B_compilers_and_integrated_devel opment_environments http://www.freeprogrammingresources.com/cppide.html + R docs I was thinking on code::blocks, and emacs (and perhaps vim) Emacs seems used by some R developers as an R editor. So i did think on emacs because it could perhaps be interesting to have the same editor for R code and C++ code. However, when looking at the last emacs windows version, it seems to date from january 2004 ... (dead end ?) ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/emacs/windows/ I will be grateful for all advices on this tool topic. Better choosing emacs ? or code::blocks ? or another idea ? Does somebody have an idea about the most used IDEs for R C++ package writing ?
Dear Vincent, I wouldn't let the date of 2004 scare you away from emacs. And, if I understand, in windows you can also use xemacs and/or emacs. One extremely nice feature of using Emacs is using the very same editor for R, C, C++, or anything else for that matter. It certainly fits your other requirements
Some of my criterions : not proprietary, not too heavy, open to linux, not java gasworks, still maintained, etc
Good luck! R.
Thanks Vincent
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Den Fr, 2007-02-23, 11:49 skrev mel:
Dear all, I have to develop a (hopefully) small package for R in C++. I didn't code in C++ for some years, and i'm now searching for an adequate IDE for this task. Some of my criterions : not proprietary, not too heavy, open to linux, not java gasworks, still maintained, etc After looking on several places http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_C%2B%2B_compilers_and_integrated_development_environments http://www.freeprogrammingresources.com/cppide.html + R docs I was thinking on code::blocks, and emacs (and perhaps vim) Emacs seems used by some R developers as an R editor. So i did think on emacs because it could perhaps be interesting to have the same editor for R code and C++ code. However, when looking at the last emacs windows version, it seems to date from january 2004 ... (dead end ?) ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/emacs/windows/
Not a dead end: Emacs development has continued and version 22 is due RSN. For Windows users, I'd recommend EmacsW32 and binaries of the patched Emacs available from http://ourcomments.org/Emacs/EmacsW32.html. The binaries are current (22.0.93.1 last time I checked) and the provided EmacsW32 extension offers quite a few goodies. HTH, Henric
I will be grateful for all advices on this tool topic. Better choosing emacs ? or code::blocks ? or another idea ? Does somebody have an idea about the most used IDEs for R C++ package writing ? Thanks Vincent
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I don't know if ess runs under xemacs, but historically, xemacs (a fork of the emacs code) had windows support earlier than gnu emacs did, and obviously, it is still being worked on as the last version is December 2006. http://www.xemacs.org/Download/win32/ HTH
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Dear all, I have to develop a (hopefully) small package for R in C++. I didn't code in C++ for some years, and i'm now searching for an adequate IDE for this task. Some of my criterions : not proprietary, not too heavy, open to linux, not java gasworks, still maintained, etc After looking on several places http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_C%2B%2B_compilers_and_integrated_development_environments http://www.freeprogrammingresources.com/cppide.html + R docs I was thinking on code::blocks, and emacs (and perhaps vim) Emacs seems used by some R developers as an R editor. So i did think on emacs because it could perhaps be interesting to have the same editor for R code and C++ code. However, when looking at the last emacs windows version, it seems to date from january 2004 ... (dead end ?) ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/emacs/windows/ I will be grateful for all advices on this tool topic. Better choosing emacs ? or code::blocks ? or another idea ? Does somebody have an idea about the most used IDEs for R C++ package writing ? Thanks Vincent
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Le Vendredi 23 F?vrier 2007 05:49, mel a ?crit?:
Dear all, I have to develop a (hopefully) small package for R in C++. I didn't code in C++ for some years, and i'm now searching for an adequate IDE for this task. Some of my criterions : not proprietary, not too heavy, open to linux, not java gasworks, still maintained, etc After looking on several places http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_C%2B%2B_compilers_and_integrated_devel opment_environments http://www.freeprogrammingresources.com/cppide.html + R docs I was thinking on code::blocks, and emacs (and perhaps vim) Emacs seems used by some R developers as an R editor. So i did think on emacs because it could perhaps be interesting to have the same editor for R code and C++ code. However, when looking at the last emacs windows version, it seems to date from january 2004 ... (dead end ?) ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/emacs/windows/ I will be grateful for all advices on this tool topic. Better choosing emacs ? or code::blocks ? or another idea ? Does somebody have an idea about the most used IDEs for R C++ package writing ?
So, many other people told you that Emacs is a good choice. If you want to try it out, I also maintain a modified version of GNU Emacs that is simple to install and works with ESS and the latest version of R out of the box: http://vgoulet.act.ulaval.ca/emacs Please note that the bells and whistles of EmacsW32 are not included. It is a plain GNU Emacs 21.3 with AUCTeX, ESS, Aspell and other minor enhancements thrown in. HTH
Vincent Goulet, Associate Professor ?cole d'actuariat Universit? Laval, Qu?bec Vincent.Goulet at act.ulaval.ca http://vgoulet.act.ulaval.ca
In addition to Prof. Ripley's comments, which I wholeheartedly support, I might point you to some additional tools, that enhance the use of Emacs for coding. I am running Emacs (alpha version 23 from cvs source) under Linux and while I do not do C, C++ or FORTRAN coding, these tools have dramatically improved my coding productivity when using R and Sweave (R + LaTeX) along with ESS and other standard Emacs tools such as Auctex/Preview-Latex. 1. ECB - Emacs Code Browser http://ecb.sourceforge.net/ 2. psvn - A Subversion interface for emacs http://www.xsteve.at/prg/vc_svn/ Both of the above, especially if you integrate version control using Subversion, greatly enhance the functionality of Emacs as an IDE. HTH, Marc Schwartz
On Fri, 2007-02-23 at 11:17 +0000, Prof Brian Ripley wrote:
You seem to mention both Linux and Windows. Emacs and XEmacs are both stable on both platforms, and I think most R developers use an emacs or vi variant for all their programming. I would not call emacs an IDE, but the main thing I find useful is to have a language-aware editor (syntax highlighting, indentation ...). If you write a package you will also need an Rd editor, and emacs/ESS is probably the best supported of those. Later versions of precompiled emacs for Windows have existed, but I am running 21.3.1 (2002) on Windows and 21.4.1 on Linux: emacs itself is very stable. If you prefer a more graphical environment, XEmacs is a good alternative and despite its name has an active Windows version. On Fri, 23 Feb 2007, mel wrote:
Dear all, I have to develop a (hopefully) small package for R in C++. I didn't code in C++ for some years, and i'm now searching for an adequate IDE for this task. Some of my criterions : not proprietary, not too heavy, open to linux, not java gasworks, still maintained, etc After looking on several places http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_C%2B%2B_compilers_and_integrated_development_environments http://www.freeprogrammingresources.com/cppide.html + R docs I was thinking on code::blocks, and emacs (and perhaps vim) Emacs seems used by some R developers as an R editor. So i did think on emacs because it could perhaps be interesting to have the same editor for R code and C++ code. However, when looking at the last emacs windows version, it seems to date from january 2004 ... (dead end ?) ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/emacs/windows/ I will be grateful for all advices on this tool topic. Better choosing emacs ? or code::blocks ? or another idea ? Does somebody have an idea about the most used IDEs for R C++ package writing ? Thanks Vincent
On Friday 23 February 2007 15:52, Marc Schwartz wrote:
In addition to Prof. Ripley's comments, which I wholeheartedly support, I might point you to some additional tools, that enhance the use of Emacs for coding. I am running Emacs (alpha version 23 from cvs source) under Linux and while I do not do C, C++ or FORTRAN coding, these tools have dramatically improved my coding productivity when using R and Sweave (R + LaTeX) along with ESS and other standard Emacs tools such as Auctex/Preview-Latex. 1. ECB - Emacs Code Browser http://ecb.sourceforge.net/ 2. psvn - A Subversion interface for emacs http://www.xsteve.at/prg/vc_svn/ Both of the above, especially if you integrate version control using Subversion, greatly enhance the functionality of Emacs as an IDE. HTH, Marc Schwartz
Just a minor addition to Marc's comment: if you edit Python code, you might experience short, but frequent, freezes of Emacs that are related to a problem with semantic (a package on which ECB depends). I've not seen these with R (or C/C++ or LaTeX). With that minor caveat, I find ECB is a great tool that works out of the box with R. Best, R.
On Fri, 2007-02-23 at 11:17 +0000, Prof Brian Ripley wrote:
You seem to mention both Linux and Windows. Emacs and XEmacs are both stable on both platforms, and I think most R developers use an emacs or vi variant for all their programming. I would not call emacs an IDE, but the main thing I find useful is to have a language-aware editor (syntax highlighting, indentation ...). If you write a package you will also need an Rd editor, and emacs/ESS is probably the best supported of those. Later versions of precompiled emacs for Windows have existed, but I am running 21.3.1 (2002) on Windows and 21.4.1 on Linux: emacs itself is very stable. If you prefer a more graphical environment, XEmacs is a good alternative and despite its name has an active Windows version. On Fri, 23 Feb 2007, mel wrote:
Dear all, I have to develop a (hopefully) small package for R in C++. I didn't code in C++ for some years, and i'm now searching for an adequate IDE for this task. Some of my criterions : not proprietary, not too heavy, open to linux, not java gasworks, still maintained, etc After looking on several places http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_C%2B%2B_compilers_and_integrated_d evelopment_environments http://www.freeprogrammingresources.com/cppide.html + R docs I was thinking on code::blocks, and emacs (and perhaps vim) Emacs seems used by some R developers as an R editor. So i did think on emacs because it could perhaps be interesting to have the same editor for R code and C++ code. However, when looking at the last emacs windows version, it seems to date from january 2004 ... (dead end ?) ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/emacs/windows/ I will be grateful for all advices on this tool topic. Better choosing emacs ? or code::blocks ? or another idea ? Does somebody have an idea about the most used IDEs for R C++ package writing ? Thanks Vincent
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-----Original Message----- From: r-devel-bounces at r-project.org [mailto:r-devel-bounces at r-project.org] On Behalf Of Hin-Tak Leung Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 5:40 AM To: mel Cc: r-devel at r-project.org Subject: Re: [Rd] IDE for R C++ package writing ? I don't know if ess runs under xemacs, but historically,
I have used ess under Xemacs on Windows. I think John Fox still has some documents and files available on the web for setting up Xemacs with ess. You can try searching the R-help archives or probably even just google Fox and Xemacs. Hope this is helpful, Dan Nordlund Bothell, WA USA
xemacs (a fork of the emacs code) had windows support earlier than gnu emacs did, and obviously, it is still being worked on as the last version is December 2006. http://www.xemacs.org/Download/win32/ HTH
Den Fr, 2007-02-23, 11:49 skrev mel:
I will be grateful for all advices on this tool topic. Better choosing emacs ? or code::blocks ? or another idea ? Does somebody have an idea about the most used IDEs for R C++ package writing ?
Emacs has IDE capabilities possible, as extensions. See the CEDET library and ECB package extension for code browsers, UML tools, etc. JDEE (Java development environment for Emacs) is an excellent IDE for Java, SLIME is excellent for Common Lisp, but there isn't a truly excellent tool for C++ or R at this time. (ESS IMHO is as good as it gets at present, but let's reserve the term "excellent" for things that deserve it, having stood the long test of time and design standards, like Emacs and Common Lisp have). best, -tony blindglobe at gmail.com Muttenz, Switzerland. "Commit early,commit often, and commit in a repository from which we can easily roll-back your mistakes" (AJR, 4Jan05). -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : https://stat.ethz.ch/pipermail/r-devel/attachments/20070224/7469d4db/attachment.bin
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First, great thanks to all for all the answers. I confess i was a bit scared about (re)learning a possible tomorrow obsolete tool. I'm however quite astonished nobody proposes another tool. Do 100% R package developers use emacs ? Anyway, given the answers, it seems i'll go on emacs or xemacs. Thanks for the guidance. Vincent
On Monday 26 February 2007 16:51, elw at stderr.org wrote:
First, great thanks to all for all the answers. I confess i was a bit scared about (re)learning a possible tomorrow obsolete tool. I'm however quite astonished nobody proposes another tool. Do 100% R package developers use emacs ?
Plenty of folks don't use an IDE at all. Copy/pasting working bits of code from your .Rhistory into a working file is a very useful tactic...
You kidding, right? (I mean, maybe lots of people do that, but maybe that ain't such a good idea :-). R. P.S. Whether or not emacs + ess + ecb + a whole bunch of other things is or not a "real IDE" (whatever that means) I think is tangential to the original question. The issue, if I understand, are editing tools that will make the editing et al. simpler. So
I'm however quite astonished nobody proposes another tool. Do 100% R package developers use emacs ?
No. Not 100%. But you said you'll be using Windows but want to move to GNU/Linux. Then, you might want to use the very same tool over a range of OSs, or regardless of whether you are in front of your workstation, or accessing it over a slow modem connection, etc. In such cases, Emacs is an excellent choice. Or one of the very, very few. In addition, I think you are seeing an example of "once you try emacs, you often realize that other choices do not really offer you all that much, but you loose a lot". HTH, R.
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First, great thanks to all for all the answers. I confess i was a bit scared about (re)learning a possible tomorrow obsolete tool. I'm however quite astonished nobody proposes another tool. Do 100% R package developers use emacs ?
Plenty of folks don't use an IDE at all. Copy/pasting working bits of code from your .Rhistory into a working file is a very useful tactic... --e
Ya, copy/paste from .Rhistory is pretty common. Especially among newbies and oldsters who dislike IDEs. :) [I got burned by Borland, way back when, and basically can't stand "wizards" and the like now...] Looks like someone wrote a "send-to-R" plugin for vim last year: http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=1048 --e
On Mon, 26 Feb 2007, Ramon Diaz-Uriarte wrote:
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 16:19:54 +0100 From: Ramon Diaz-Uriarte <rdiaz at cnio.es> To: r-devel at r-project.org Cc: elw at stderr.org, mel <mel at altk.com> Subject: Re: [Rd] IDE for R C++ package writing ? On Monday 26 February 2007 16:51, elw at stderr.org wrote:
First, great thanks to all for all the answers. I confess i was a bit scared about (re)learning a possible tomorrow obsolete tool. I'm however quite astonished nobody proposes another tool. Do 100% R package developers use emacs ?
Plenty of folks don't use an IDE at all. Copy/pasting working bits of code from your .Rhistory into a working file is a very useful tactic...
You kidding, right? (I mean, maybe lots of people do that, but maybe that ain't such a good idea :-). R. P.S. Whether or not emacs + ess + ecb + a whole bunch of other things is or not a "real IDE" (whatever that means) I think is tangential to the original question. The issue, if I understand, are editing tools that will make the editing et al. simpler. So
I'm however quite astonished nobody proposes another tool. Do 100% R package developers use emacs ?
No. Not 100%. But you said you'll be using Windows but want to move to GNU/Linux. Then, you might want to use the very same tool over a range of OSs, or regardless of whether you are in front of your workstation, or accessing it over a slow modem connection, etc. In such cases, Emacs is an excellent choice. Or one of the very, very few. In addition, I think you are seeing an example of "once you try emacs, you often realize that other choices do not really offer you all that much, but you loose a lot". HTH, R.
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