CRAN has for some time had a policies page at http://cran.r-project.org/web/packages/policies.html and we would like to draw this to the attention of package maintainers. In particular, please - always send a submission email to CRAN at r-project.org with the package name and version on the subject line. Emails sent to individual members of the team will result in delays at best. - run R CMD check --as-cran on the tarball before you submit it. Do this with the latest version of R possible: definitely R 2.14.2, preferably R 2.15.0 RC or a recent R-devel. (Later versions of R are able to give better diagnostics, e.g. for compiled code and especially on Windows. They may also have extra checks for recently uncovered problems.) Also, please note that CRAN has a very heavy workload (186 packages were published last week) and to remain viable needs package maintainers to make its life as easy as possible. Kurt Hornik Uwe Ligges Brian Ripley
CRAN policies
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One of the things I have noticed with the R 2.15.0 RC and --as-cran is that the I have to bump the version number of the working copy of my packages immediately after putting a version on CRAN, or I get an message about version suitability. This is probably a good thing for packages that I have changed, compared with my old habit of bumping the version number at arbitrary times, although the mechanics are a nuisance because I do not actually want to commit to the next version number at that point. For packages that I have not changed it is a bit worse, because I have to change the version number even though I have not yet made any changes to the package. This will mean, for example, that on R-forge it will look like there is a slightly newer version, even though there is not really. I am curious how other developers approach this. Is it better to not specify --as-cran most of the time? My feeling is that it is better to specify it all of the time so that I catch errors sooner rather than later, but maybe there is a better solution? Paul
On 12-03-27 07:52 AM, Prof Brian Ripley wrote:
CRAN has for some time had a policies page at http://cran.r-project.org/web/packages/policies.html and we would like to draw this to the attention of package maintainers. In particular, please - always send a submission email to CRAN at r-project.org with the package name and version on the subject line. Emails sent to individual members of the team will result in delays at best. - run R CMD check --as-cran on the tarball before you submit it. Do this with the latest version of R possible: definitely R 2.14.2, preferably R 2.15.0 RC or a recent R-devel. (Later versions of R are able to give better diagnostics, e.g. for compiled code and especially on Windows. They may also have extra checks for recently uncovered problems.) Also, please note that CRAN has a very heavy workload (186 packages were published last week) and to remain viable needs package maintainers to make its life as easy as possible. Kurt Hornik Uwe Ligges Brian Ripley
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On 27.03.2012 16:17, Paul Gilbert wrote:
One of the things I have noticed with the R 2.15.0 RC and --as-cran is that the I have to bump the version number of the working copy of my packages immediately after putting a version on CRAN, or I get an message about version suitability. This is probably a good thing for packages that I have changed, compared with my old habit of bumping the version number at arbitrary times, although the mechanics are a nuisance because I do not actually want to commit to the next version number at that point. For packages that I have not changed it is a bit worse, because I have to change the version number even though I have not yet made any changes to the package. This will mean, for example, that on R-forge it will look like there is a slightly newer version, even though there is not really. I am curious how other developers approach this. Is it better to not specify --as-cran most of the time? My feeling is that it is better to specify it all of the time so that I catch errors sooner rather than later, but maybe there is a better solution?
--as-cran is modelled rather closely after the CRAN incoming checks. CRAN checks if a new version has a new version number. Of course, you can ignore its result if you do not want to submit. The idea of using --as-cran is to apply it before you actually submit. Some parts require network connection etc. Uwe
Paul On 12-03-27 07:52 AM, Prof Brian Ripley wrote:
CRAN has for some time had a policies page at http://cran.r-project.org/web/packages/policies.html and we would like to draw this to the attention of package maintainers. In particular, please - always send a submission email to CRAN at r-project.org with the package name and version on the subject line. Emails sent to individual members of the team will result in delays at best. - run R CMD check --as-cran on the tarball before you submit it. Do this with the latest version of R possible: definitely R 2.14.2, preferably R 2.15.0 RC or a recent R-devel. (Later versions of R are able to give better diagnostics, e.g. for compiled code and especially on Windows. They may also have extra checks for recently uncovered problems.) Also, please note that CRAN has a very heavy workload (186 packages were published last week) and to remain viable needs package maintainers to make its life as easy as possible. Kurt Hornik Uwe Ligges Brian Ripley
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On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 7:52 AM, Prof Brian Ripley
<ripley at stats.ox.ac.uk> wrote:
CRAN has for some time had a policies page at http://cran.r-project.org/web/packages/policies.html and we would like to draw this to the attention of package maintainers. ?In particular, please - always send a submission email to CRAN at r-project.org with the package name and version on the subject line. ?Emails sent to individual members of the team will result in delays at best. - run R CMD check --as-cran on the tarball before you submit it. ?Do this with the latest version of R possible: definitely R 2.14.2, preferably R 2.15.0 RC or a recent R-devel. ?(Later versions of R are able to give better diagnostics, e.g. for compiled code and especially on Windows. They may also have extra checks for recently uncovered problems.) Also, please note that CRAN has a very heavy workload (186 packages were published last week) and to remain viable needs package maintainers to make its life as easy as possible.
Regarding the part about "warnings or significant notes" in that page, its impossible to know which notes are significant and which ones are not significant except by trial and error.
Statistics & Software Consulting GKX Group, GKX Associates Inc. tel: 1-877-GKX-GROUP email: ggrothendieck at gmail.com
On 12-03-27 10:59 AM, Uwe Ligges wrote:
On 27.03.2012 16:17, Paul Gilbert wrote:
One of the things I have noticed with the R 2.15.0 RC and --as-cran is that the I have to bump the version number of the working copy of my packages immediately after putting a version on CRAN, or I get an message about version suitability. This is probably a good thing for packages that I have changed, compared with my old habit of bumping the version number at arbitrary times, although the mechanics are a nuisance because I do not actually want to commit to the next version number at that point. For packages that I have not changed it is a bit worse, because I have to change the version number even though I have not yet made any changes to the package. This will mean, for example, that on R-forge it will look like there is a slightly newer version, even though there is not really. I am curious how other developers approach this. Is it better to not specify --as-cran most of the time? My feeling is that it is better to specify it all of the time so that I catch errors sooner rather than later, but maybe there is a better solution?
--as-cran is modelled rather closely after the CRAN incoming checks. CRAN checks if a new version has a new version number. Of course, you can ignore its result if you do not want to submit. The idea of using --as-cran is to apply it before you actually submit. Some parts require network connection etc. Uwe
Yes but, for example, will R-forge run checks with --as-cran, and thus give warnings for any package unchanged from the one on CRAN, or run without --as-cran, and thus not give a true indication of whether the package is good to submit? (No doubt R-forge will customise more, but I am trying to work out a strategy for my own automatic testing.) Paul
Paul On 12-03-27 07:52 AM, Prof Brian Ripley wrote:
CRAN has for some time had a policies page at http://cran.r-project.org/web/packages/policies.html and we would like to draw this to the attention of package maintainers. In particular, please - always send a submission email to CRAN at r-project.org with the package name and version on the subject line. Emails sent to individual members of the team will result in delays at best. - run R CMD check --as-cran on the tarball before you submit it. Do this with the latest version of R possible: definitely R 2.14.2, preferably R 2.15.0 RC or a recent R-devel. (Later versions of R are able to give better diagnostics, e.g. for compiled code and especially on Windows. They may also have extra checks for recently uncovered problems.) Also, please note that CRAN has a very heavy workload (186 packages were published last week) and to remain viable needs package maintainers to make its life as easy as possible. Kurt Hornik Uwe Ligges Brian Ripley
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On 27.03.2012 17:22, Paul Gilbert wrote:
On 12-03-27 10:59 AM, Uwe Ligges wrote:
On 27.03.2012 16:17, Paul Gilbert wrote:
One of the things I have noticed with the R 2.15.0 RC and --as-cran is that the I have to bump the version number of the working copy of my packages immediately after putting a version on CRAN, or I get an message about version suitability. This is probably a good thing for packages that I have changed, compared with my old habit of bumping the version number at arbitrary times, although the mechanics are a nuisance because I do not actually want to commit to the next version number at that point. For packages that I have not changed it is a bit worse, because I have to change the version number even though I have not yet made any changes to the package. This will mean, for example, that on R-forge it will look like there is a slightly newer version, even though there is not really. I am curious how other developers approach this. Is it better to not specify --as-cran most of the time? My feeling is that it is better to specify it all of the time so that I catch errors sooner rather than later, but maybe there is a better solution?
--as-cran is modelled rather closely after the CRAN incoming checks. CRAN checks if a new version has a new version number. Of course, you can ignore its result if you do not want to submit. The idea of using --as-cran is to apply it before you actually submit. Some parts require network connection etc. Uwe
Yes but, for example, will R-forge run checks with --as-cran, and thus give warnings for any package unchanged from the one on CRAN, or run without --as-cran, and thus not give a true indication of whether the package is good to submit?
This is a question for the R-forge maintainer. I would not expect it runs checks --as-cran, but I do now know. Best, Uwe
(No doubt R-forge will customise more, but I am trying to work out a strategy for my own automatic testing.) Paul
Paul On 12-03-27 07:52 AM, Prof Brian Ripley wrote:
CRAN has for some time had a policies page at http://cran.r-project.org/web/packages/policies.html and we would like to draw this to the attention of package maintainers. In particular, please - always send a submission email to CRAN at r-project.org with the package name and version on the subject line. Emails sent to individual members of the team will result in delays at best. - run R CMD check --as-cran on the tarball before you submit it. Do this with the latest version of R possible: definitely R 2.14.2, preferably R 2.15.0 RC or a recent R-devel. (Later versions of R are able to give better diagnostics, e.g. for compiled code and especially on Windows. They may also have extra checks for recently uncovered problems.) Also, please note that CRAN has a very heavy workload (186 packages were published last week) and to remain viable needs package maintainers to make its life as easy as possible. Kurt Hornik Uwe Ligges Brian Ripley
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On 27.03.2012 17:09, Gabor Grothendieck wrote:
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 7:52 AM, Prof Brian Ripley <ripley at stats.ox.ac.uk> wrote:
CRAN has for some time had a policies page at http://cran.r-project.org/web/packages/policies.html and we would like to draw this to the attention of package maintainers. In particular, please - always send a submission email to CRAN at r-project.org with the package name and version on the subject line. Emails sent to individual members of the team will result in delays at best. - run R CMD check --as-cran on the tarball before you submit it. Do this with the latest version of R possible: definitely R 2.14.2, preferably R 2.15.0 RC or a recent R-devel. (Later versions of R are able to give better diagnostics, e.g. for compiled code and especially on Windows. They may also have extra checks for recently uncovered problems.) Also, please note that CRAN has a very heavy workload (186 packages were published last week) and to remain viable needs package maintainers to make its life as easy as possible.
Regarding the part about "warnings or significant notes" in that page, its impossible to know which notes are significant and which ones are not significant except by trial and error.
Right, it needs human inspection to identify false positives. We believe most package maintainers are able to see if he or she is hit by such a false positive. Uwe Ligges
On 27/03/2012 15:17, Paul Gilbert wrote:
One of the things I have noticed with the R 2.15.0 RC and --as-cran is that the I have to bump the version number of the working copy of my packages immediately after putting a version on CRAN, or I get an message about version suitability. This is probably a good thing for packages that I have changed, compared with my old habit of bumping the version number at arbitrary times, although the mechanics are a nuisance because I do not actually want to commit to the next version number at that point. For packages that I have not changed it is a bit worse, because I have to change the version number even though I have not yet made any changes to the package. This will mean, for example, that on R-forge it will look like there is a slightly newer version, even though there is not really. I am curious how other developers approach this. Is it better to not specify --as-cran most of the time? My feeling is that it is better to specify it all of the time so that I catch errors sooner rather than later, but maybe there is a better solution?
Yes. It is only recommended for use just before submission. It is not used by the CRAN daily checks, for example. All it does it set some environment variables that you can also set in ~/.R/check.Renviron, scripts ... and that is what the CRAN team do. We introduced --as-cran to make it easier to explain to submitters how to get the check results we reported [*]. As for what the set is, read 'R Internals' or the code (it will vary by R version). Given that we get several submissions per week with the same version number or name as a package already on CRAN, we do need submitters to run the 'incoming' check before submission. [*] Since answering several emails a day about why their results were different was taking up far too much time.
Paul On 12-03-27 07:52 AM, Prof Brian Ripley wrote:
CRAN has for some time had a policies page at http://cran.r-project.org/web/packages/policies.html and we would like to draw this to the attention of package maintainers. In particular, please - always send a submission email to CRAN at r-project.org with the package name and version on the subject line. Emails sent to individual members of the team will result in delays at best. - run R CMD check --as-cran on the tarball before you submit it. Do this with the latest version of R possible: definitely R 2.14.2, preferably R 2.15.0 RC or a recent R-devel. (Later versions of R are able to give better diagnostics, e.g. for compiled code and especially on Windows. They may also have extra checks for recently uncovered problems.) Also, please note that CRAN has a very heavy workload (186 packages were published last week) and to remain viable needs package maintainers to make its life as easy as possible. Kurt Hornik Uwe Ligges Brian Ripley
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2012/3/27 Uwe Ligges <ligges at statistik.tu-dortmund.de>:
On 27.03.2012 17:09, Gabor Grothendieck wrote:
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 7:52 AM, Prof Brian Ripley <ripley at stats.ox.ac.uk> ?wrote:
CRAN has for some time had a policies page at http://cran.r-project.org/web/packages/policies.html and we would like to draw this to the attention of package maintainers. ?In particular, please - always send a submission email to CRAN at r-project.org with the package name and version on the subject line. ?Emails sent to individual members of the team will result in delays at best. - run R CMD check --as-cran on the tarball before you submit it. ?Do this with the latest version of R possible: definitely R 2.14.2, preferably R 2.15.0 RC or a recent R-devel. ?(Later versions of R are able to give better diagnostics, e.g. for compiled code and especially on Windows. They may also have extra checks for recently uncovered problems.) Also, please note that CRAN has a very heavy workload (186 packages were published last week) and to remain viable needs package maintainers to make its life as easy as possible.
Regarding the part about "warnings or significant notes" in that page, its impossible to know which notes are significant and which ones are not significant except by trial and error.
Right, it needs human inspection to identify false positives. We believe most package maintainers are able to see if he or she is hit by such a false positive.
The problem is that a note is generated and the note is correct. Its not a false positive. But that does not tell you whether its "significant" or not. There is no way to know. One can either try to remove all notes (which may not be feasible) or just upload it and by trial and error find out if its accepted or not.
Statistics & Software Consulting GKX Group, GKX Associates Inc. tel: 1-877-GKX-GROUP email: ggrothendieck at gmail.com
Is there a distinction as to NOTE vs. WARNING that is documented? I've always assumed (wrongly?) that NOTES weren't an issue with publishing on CRAN, but that they may change to WARNINGS at some point. Is the process by which this happens documented somewhere? Jeff
On 3/27/12 11:09 AM, "Gabor Grothendieck" <ggrothendieck at gmail.com> wrote:
2012/3/27 Uwe Ligges <ligges at statistik.tu-dortmund.de>:
On 27.03.2012 17:09, Gabor Grothendieck wrote:
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 7:52 AM, Prof Brian Ripley <ripley at stats.ox.ac.uk> wrote:
CRAN has for some time had a policies page at http://cran.r-project.org/web/packages/policies.html and we would like to draw this to the attention of package maintainers. In particular, please - always send a submission email to CRAN at r-project.org with the package name and version on the subject line. Emails sent to individual members of the team will result in delays at best. - run R CMD check --as-cran on the tarball before you submit it. Do this with the latest version of R possible: definitely R 2.14.2, preferably R 2.15.0 RC or a recent R-devel. (Later versions of R are able to give better diagnostics, e.g. for compiled code and especially on Windows. They may also have extra checks for recently uncovered problems.) Also, please note that CRAN has a very heavy workload (186 packages were published last week) and to remain viable needs package maintainers to make its life as easy as possible.
Regarding the part about "warnings or significant notes" in that page, its impossible to know which notes are significant and which ones are not significant except by trial and error.
Right, it needs human inspection to identify false positives. We believe most package maintainers are able to see if he or she is hit by such a false positive.
The problem is that a note is generated and the note is correct. Its not a false positive. But that does not tell you whether its "significant" or not. There is no way to know. One can either try to remove all notes (which may not be feasible) or just upload it and by trial and error find out if its accepted or not. -- Statistics & Software Consulting GKX Group, GKX Associates Inc. tel: 1-877-GKX-GROUP email: ggrothendieck at gmail.com
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On 27.03.2012 19:10, Jeffrey Ryan wrote:
Is there a distinction as to NOTE vs. WARNING that is documented? I've always assumed (wrongly?) that NOTES weren't an issue with publishing on CRAN, but that they may change to WARNINGS at some point.
We won't kick packages off CRAN for Notes (but we will if Warnings are not fixed), but we may not accept new submissions with significant Notes. Best, Uwe Ligges
Is the process by which this happens documented somewhere? Jeff On 3/27/12 11:09 AM, "Gabor Grothendieck"<ggrothendieck at gmail.com> wrote:
2012/3/27 Uwe Ligges<ligges at statistik.tu-dortmund.de>:
On 27.03.2012 17:09, Gabor Grothendieck wrote:
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 7:52 AM, Prof Brian Ripley <ripley at stats.ox.ac.uk> wrote:
CRAN has for some time had a policies page at http://cran.r-project.org/web/packages/policies.html and we would like to draw this to the attention of package maintainers. In particular, please - always send a submission email to CRAN at r-project.org with the package name and version on the subject line. Emails sent to individual members of the team will result in delays at best. - run R CMD check --as-cran on the tarball before you submit it. Do this with the latest version of R possible: definitely R 2.14.2, preferably R 2.15.0 RC or a recent R-devel. (Later versions of R are able to give better diagnostics, e.g. for compiled code and especially on Windows. They may also have extra checks for recently uncovered problems.) Also, please note that CRAN has a very heavy workload (186 packages were published last week) and to remain viable needs package maintainers to make its life as easy as possible.
Regarding the part about "warnings or significant notes" in that page, its impossible to know which notes are significant and which ones are not significant except by trial and error.
Right, it needs human inspection to identify false positives. We believe most package maintainers are able to see if he or she is hit by such a false positive.
The problem is that a note is generated and the note is correct. Its not a false positive. But that does not tell you whether its "significant" or not. There is no way to know. One can either try to remove all notes (which may not be feasible) or just upload it and by trial and error find out if its accepted or not. -- Statistics& Software Consulting GKX Group, GKX Associates Inc. tel: 1-877-GKX-GROUP email: ggrothendieck at gmail.com
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Thanks Uwe for the clarification on what goes and what stays. Still fuzzy on the notion of "significant" though. Do you have an example or two for the list? Jeff P.S. I meant to also thank all of CRAN volunteers for the momentous efforts involved, and it is nice to see some explanation of how we can help, as well as a peek into what goes on 'behind the curtain' ;-)
On 3/27/12 1:19 PM, "Uwe Ligges" <ligges at statistik.tu-dortmund.de> wrote:
On 27.03.2012 19:10, Jeffrey Ryan wrote:
Is there a distinction as to NOTE vs. WARNING that is documented? I've always assumed (wrongly?) that NOTES weren't an issue with publishing on CRAN, but that they may change to WARNINGS at some point.
We won't kick packages off CRAN for Notes (but we will if Warnings are not fixed), but we may not accept new submissions with significant Notes. Best, Uwe Ligges
Is the process by which this happens documented somewhere? Jeff On 3/27/12 11:09 AM, "Gabor Grothendieck"<ggrothendieck at gmail.com> wrote:
2012/3/27 Uwe Ligges<ligges at statistik.tu-dortmund.de>:
On 27.03.2012 17:09, Gabor Grothendieck wrote:
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 7:52 AM, Prof Brian Ripley <ripley at stats.ox.ac.uk> wrote:
CRAN has for some time had a policies page at http://cran.r-project.org/web/packages/policies.html and we would like to draw this to the attention of package maintainers. In particular, please - always send a submission email to CRAN at r-project.org with the package name and version on the subject line. Emails sent to individual members of the team will result in delays at best. - run R CMD check --as-cran on the tarball before you submit it. Do this with the latest version of R possible: definitely R 2.14.2, preferably R 2.15.0 RC or a recent R-devel. (Later versions of R are able to give better diagnostics, e.g. for compiled code and especially on Windows. They may also have extra checks for recently uncovered problems.) Also, please note that CRAN has a very heavy workload (186 packages were published last week) and to remain viable needs package maintainers to make its life as easy as possible.
Regarding the part about "warnings or significant notes" in that page, its impossible to know which notes are significant and which ones are not significant except by trial and error.
Right, it needs human inspection to identify false positives. We believe most package maintainers are able to see if he or she is hit by such a false positive.
The problem is that a note is generated and the note is correct. Its not a false positive. But that does not tell you whether its "significant" or not. There is no way to know. One can either try to remove all notes (which may not be feasible) or just upload it and by trial and error find out if its accepted or not. -- Statistics& Software Consulting GKX Group, GKX Associates Inc. tel: 1-877-GKX-GROUP email: ggrothendieck at gmail.com
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2012/3/27 Uwe Ligges <ligges at statistik.tu-dortmund.de>:
On 27.03.2012 19:10, Jeffrey Ryan wrote:
Is there a distinction as to NOTE vs. WARNING that is documented? ?I've always assumed (wrongly?) that NOTES weren't an issue with publishing on CRAN, but that they may change to WARNINGS at some point.
We won't kick packages off CRAN for Notes (but we will if Warnings are not fixed), but we may not accept new submissions with significant Notes.
Yes, I understand that but that does not really address the problem that one has no idea of whether a Note is significant or not so the only way to determine its significance is to submit your package and see if its accepted or not.
Statistics & Software Consulting GKX Group, GKX Associates Inc. tel: 1-877-GKX-GROUP email: ggrothendieck at gmail.com
An associated problem, for the wish list, is that it would be nice for package developers to have a way to automatically distinguish between NOTEs that can usually be ignored (e.g. a package suggests a package that is not available for cross reference checks - I have several case where the suggested package depends on the package being built, so this NOTE occurs all the time), and NOTEs that are really pre-WARNINGS, so that one can flag these and spend time fixing them before they become a WARNING or ERROR. Perhaps two different kinds of notes? (And, BTW, having been responsible for a certain amount of the >[*] Since answering several emails a day about why their >results were different was taking up far too much time. I think --as-cran is great.) Paul
On 12-03-27 02:19 PM, Uwe Ligges wrote:
On 27.03.2012 19:10, Jeffrey Ryan wrote:
Is there a distinction as to NOTE vs. WARNING that is documented? I've always assumed (wrongly?) that NOTES weren't an issue with publishing on CRAN, but that they may change to WARNINGS at some point.
We won't kick packages off CRAN for Notes (but we will if Warnings are not fixed), but we may not accept new submissions with significant Notes. Best, Uwe Ligges
Is the process by which this happens documented somewhere? Jeff On 3/27/12 11:09 AM, "Gabor Grothendieck"<ggrothendieck at gmail.com> wrote:
2012/3/27 Uwe Ligges<ligges at statistik.tu-dortmund.de>:
On 27.03.2012 17:09, Gabor Grothendieck wrote:
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 7:52 AM, Prof Brian Ripley <ripley at stats.ox.ac.uk> wrote:
CRAN has for some time had a policies page at http://cran.r-project.org/web/packages/policies.html and we would like to draw this to the attention of package maintainers. In particular, please - always send a submission email to CRAN at r-project.org with the package name and version on the subject line. Emails sent to individual members of the team will result in delays at best. - run R CMD check --as-cran on the tarball before you submit it. Do this with the latest version of R possible: definitely R 2.14.2, preferably R 2.15.0 RC or a recent R-devel. (Later versions of R are able to give better diagnostics, e.g. for compiled code and especially on Windows. They may also have extra checks for recently uncovered problems.) Also, please note that CRAN has a very heavy workload (186 packages were published last week) and to remain viable needs package maintainers to make its life as easy as possible.
Regarding the part about "warnings or significant notes" in that page, its impossible to know which notes are significant and which ones are not significant except by trial and error.
Right, it needs human inspection to identify false positives. We believe most package maintainers are able to see if he or she is hit by such a false positive.
The problem is that a note is generated and the note is correct. Its not a false positive. But that does not tell you whether its "significant" or not. There is no way to know. One can either try to remove all notes (which may not be feasible) or just upload it and by trial and error find out if its accepted or not. -- Statistics& Software Consulting GKX Group, GKX Associates Inc. tel: 1-877-GKX-GROUP email: ggrothendieck at gmail.com
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I have been wondering if it is possible to automate the checking process to reduce human efforts, e.g. automatically check the packages submitted to FTP, and send the package maintainer an email in case of warnings or errors (otherwise just move it to CRAN); package maintainers can appeal for a manual check by CRAN maintainers in case of false positives. As a package author, I really hate to bother CRAN maintainers each time I upload a new version and it passes R CMD check successfully, in which case I should have received an automatic email instead of Kurt's "hand-writing" "thanks, on CRAN now". Frankly speaking, it makes me feel guilty sometimes to update my packages, thinking of other 3700 packages on CRAN and how much time you CRAN maintainers are spending on checking the packages. I do not know how many package authors actually read this mailing list, so these policies may not really reach some authors at all. Regards, Yihui -- Yihui Xie <xieyihui at gmail.com> Phone: 515-294-2465 Web: http://yihui.name Department of Statistics, Iowa State University 2215 Snedecor Hall, Ames, IA
I have been wondering if it is possible to automate the checking process to reduce human efforts, e.g. automatically check the packages submitted to FTP, and send the package maintainer an email in case of warnings or errors (otherwise just move it to CRAN); package maintainers can appeal for a manual check by CRAN maintainers in case of false positives.
I've started using win-builder before submitting to CRAN. This often picks up problems that I don't see locally. Hadley
Assistant Professor / Dobelman Family Junior Chair Department of Statistics / Rice University http://had.co.nz/
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 6:52 AM, Prof Brian Ripley
<ripley at stats.ox.ac.uk> wrote:
CRAN has for some time had a policies page at http://cran.r-project.org/web/packages/policies.html and we would like to draw this to the attention of package maintainers. ?In particular, please
Thanks for the pointer - I did not know that this page existed. In general, is there some easy way to track changes to this page and the R extension manual over time? It is difficult to keep track of the best practices. I'd also like to get clarification on "Packages should not write in the users' home filespace, nor anywhere else on the file system apart from the R session's temporary directory (or during installation in the location pointed to by TMPDIR: and such usage should be cleaned up)." - what is recommended practice for packages to maintain state across instances? Operating systems have standards for where applications can store settings (e.g. as described in http://pypi.python.org/pypi/appdirs/1.2.0). Is it acceptable to for packages to follow these conventions? Hadley
Assistant Professor / Dobelman Family Junior Chair Department of Statistics / Rice University http://had.co.nz/
Lots of very sensible policies here. I have one request as someone
who has in several cases had to involve company lawyers over
intellectual property issues with packages on CRAN -- the first bullet
point on ownership of copyright and intellectual property rights could
be strengthened further.
To the existing text "The ownership of copyright and intellectual
property rights of all components of the package must be clear and
unambiguous (including from the authors specification in the
DESCRIPTION file). Where code is copied (or derived) from the work of
others (including from R itself), care must be taken that any
copyright statements are preserved and authorship is not
misrepresented.
Trademarks must be respected."
I would add a few additional points :
1. The text of the license itself should be included in the package in
a LICENSE or COPYING file, as most of these licenses have things that
need to be filled in with names and other data, and just referencing a
license name in the DESCRIPTION file is not really a great way to deal
with licensing metadata when used exclusively (it's a great complement
to a full, filled-out license in the package itself).
2. Per file copyright comment headers can help immensely with ensuring
compliance and the accidental incorporation of files under a different
license. Comment header blocks with the author name and terms of
distribution could be recommended for all source files.
- Murray
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 4:52 AM, Prof Brian Ripley
<ripley at stats.ox.ac.uk> wrote:
CRAN has for some time had a policies page at http://cran.r-project.org/web/packages/policies.html and we would like to draw this to the attention of package maintainers. ?In particular, please - always send a submission email to CRAN at r-project.org with the package name and version on the subject line. ?Emails sent to individual members of the team will result in delays at best. - run R CMD check --as-cran on the tarball before you submit it. ?Do this with the latest version of R possible: definitely R 2.14.2, preferably R 2.15.0 RC or a recent R-devel. ?(Later versions of R are able to give better diagnostics, e.g. for compiled code and especially on Windows. They may also have extra checks for recently uncovered problems.) Also, please note that CRAN has a very heavy workload (186 packages were published last week) and to remain viable needs package maintainers to make its life as easy as possible. Kurt Hornik Uwe Ligges Brian Ripley
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On 28.03.2012 00:07, Hadley Wickham wrote:
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 6:52 AM, Prof Brian Ripley <ripley at stats.ox.ac.uk> wrote:
CRAN has for some time had a policies page at http://cran.r-project.org/web/packages/policies.html and we would like to draw this to the attention of package maintainers. In particular, please
Thanks for the pointer - I did not know that this page existed. In general, is there some easy way to track changes to this page and the R extension manual over time? It is difficult to keep track of the best practices. I'd also like to get clarification on "Packages should not write in the users' home filespace, nor anywhere else on the file system apart from the R session's temporary directory (or during installation in the location pointed to by TMPDIR: and such usage should be cleaned up)." - what is recommended practice for packages to maintain state across instances? Operating systems have standards for where applications can store settings (e.g. as described in http://pypi.python.org/pypi/appdirs/1.2.0). Is it acceptable to for packages to follow these conventions?
The policy is meant not to overwrite user data or generate loads of temporary files from examples and pollute, e.g., the owkring directory. Uwe Ligges
Hadley
On 27.03.2012 20:33, Jeffrey Ryan wrote:
Thanks Uwe for the clarification on what goes and what stays. Still fuzzy on the notion of "significant" though. Do you have an example or two for the list?
We have to look at those notes again and again in order to find if something important is noted, hence please always try to avoid all notes unless the effect is really intended! Consider the Note "No visible binding for global variable" We cannot know if your code intends to use such a global variable (which is undesirable in most cases), hence would let is pass if it seems to be sensible. Another Note such as "empty section" or "partial argument match" can quickly be fixed, hence just do it and don't waste our time. Best, Uwe Ligges
Jeff P.S. I meant to also thank all of CRAN volunteers for the momentous efforts involved, and it is nice to see some explanation of how we can help, as well as a peek into what goes on 'behind the curtain' ;-) On 3/27/12 1:19 PM, "Uwe Ligges"<ligges at statistik.tu-dortmund.de> wrote:
On 27.03.2012 19:10, Jeffrey Ryan wrote:
Is there a distinction as to NOTE vs. WARNING that is documented? I've always assumed (wrongly?) that NOTES weren't an issue with publishing on CRAN, but that they may change to WARNINGS at some point.
We won't kick packages off CRAN for Notes (but we will if Warnings are not fixed), but we may not accept new submissions with significant Notes. Best, Uwe Ligges
Is the process by which this happens documented somewhere? Jeff On 3/27/12 11:09 AM, "Gabor Grothendieck"<ggrothendieck at gmail.com> wrote:
2012/3/27 Uwe Ligges<ligges at statistik.tu-dortmund.de>:
On 27.03.2012 17:09, Gabor Grothendieck wrote:
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 7:52 AM, Prof Brian Ripley <ripley at stats.ox.ac.uk> wrote:
CRAN has for some time had a policies page at http://cran.r-project.org/web/packages/policies.html and we would like to draw this to the attention of package maintainers. In particular, please - always send a submission email to CRAN at r-project.org with the package name and version on the subject line. Emails sent to individual members of the team will result in delays at best. - run R CMD check --as-cran on the tarball before you submit it. Do this with the latest version of R possible: definitely R 2.14.2, preferably R 2.15.0 RC or a recent R-devel. (Later versions of R are able to give better diagnostics, e.g. for compiled code and especially on Windows. They may also have extra checks for recently uncovered problems.) Also, please note that CRAN has a very heavy workload (186 packages were published last week) and to remain viable needs package maintainers to make its life as easy as possible.
Regarding the part about "warnings or significant notes" in that page, its impossible to know which notes are significant and which ones are not significant except by trial and error.
Right, it needs human inspection to identify false positives. We believe most package maintainers are able to see if he or she is hit by such a false positive.
The problem is that a note is generated and the note is correct. Its not a false positive. But that does not tell you whether its "significant" or not. There is no way to know. One can either try to remove all notes (which may not be feasible) or just upload it and by trial and error find out if its accepted or not. -- Statistics& Software Consulting GKX Group, GKX Associates Inc. tel: 1-877-GKX-GROUP email: ggrothendieck at gmail.com
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On 27.03.2012 20:36, Gabor Grothendieck wrote:
2012/3/27 Uwe Ligges<ligges at statistik.tu-dortmund.de>:
On 27.03.2012 19:10, Jeffrey Ryan wrote:
Is there a distinction as to NOTE vs. WARNING that is documented? I've always assumed (wrongly?) that NOTES weren't an issue with publishing on CRAN, but that they may change to WARNINGS at some point.
We won't kick packages off CRAN for Notes (but we will if Warnings are not fixed), but we may not accept new submissions with significant Notes.
Yes, I understand that but that does not really address the problem that one has no idea of whether a Note is significant or not so the only way to determine its significance is to submit your package and see if its accepted or not.
We have to look at those notes again and again in order to find if something important is noted, hence please always try to avoid all notes unless the effect is really intended! Consider the Note "No visible binding for global variable" We cannot know if your code intends to use such a global variable (which is undesirable in most cases), hence would let is pass if it seems to be sensible. Another Note such as "empty section" or "partial argument match" can quickly be fixed, hence just do it and don't waste our time. Best, Uwe Ligges
2012/3/28 Uwe Ligges <ligges at statistik.tu-dortmund.de>:
On 27.03.2012 20:33, Jeffrey Ryan wrote:
Thanks Uwe for the clarification on what goes and what stays. Still fuzzy on the notion of "significant" though. ?Do you have an example or two for the list?
We have to look at those notes again and again in order to find if something important is noted, hence please always try to avoid all notes unless the effect is really intended! Consider the Note "No visible binding for global variable" We cannot know if your code intends to use such a global variable (which is undesirable in most cases), hence would let is pass if it seems to be sensible. Another Note such as "empty section" or "partial argument match" can quickly be fixed, hence just do it and don't waste our time. Best, Uwe Ligges
What is the point of notes vs warnings if you have to get rid of both of them? Furthermore, if there are notes that you don't have to get rid of its not fair that package developers should have to waste their time on things that are actually acceptable. Finally, it makes the whole system arbitrary since packages can be rejected based on undefined rules. Either divide notes into significant notes and ordinary notes and clearly label them as such in the output of R CMD check or else make the significant notes warnings so one can know in advance whether the package passes R CMD check or not.
Statistics & Software Consulting GKX Group, GKX Associates Inc. tel: 1-877-GKX-GROUP email: ggrothendieck at gmail.com
On 28.03.2012 16:30, Gabor Grothendieck wrote:
2012/3/28 Uwe Ligges<ligges at statistik.tu-dortmund.de>:
On 27.03.2012 20:33, Jeffrey Ryan wrote:
Thanks Uwe for the clarification on what goes and what stays. Still fuzzy on the notion of "significant" though. Do you have an example or two for the list?
We have to look at those notes again and again in order to find if something important is noted, hence please always try to avoid all notes unless the effect is really intended! Consider the Note "No visible binding for global variable" We cannot know if your code intends to use such a global variable (which is undesirable in most cases), hence would let is pass if it seems to be sensible. Another Note such as "empty section" or "partial argument match" can quickly be fixed, hence just do it and don't waste our time. Best, Uwe Ligges
What is the point of notes vs warnings if you have to get rid of both of them? Furthermore, if there are notes that you don't have to get rid of its not fair that package developers should have to waste their time on things that are actually acceptable. Finally, it makes the whole system arbitrary since packages can be rejected based on undefined rules. Either divide notes into significant notes and ordinary notes and clearly label them as such in the output of R CMD check or else make the significant notes warnings so one can know in advance whether the package passes R CMD check or not.
I tried to make clear that we cannot decide that automatically and it needs human inspection and thinking if some Note is significant or not. That why we have not made them Warnings where we are sure things have to be fixed. Please always try to avoid all notes unless the effect is really intended! How hard can it be? If Notes could be completely ignored, they would not be Notes. Uwe
On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 3:30 AM, Gabor Grothendieck
<ggrothendieck at gmail.com> wrote:
2012/3/28 Uwe Ligges <ligges at statistik.tu-dortmund.de>:
On 27.03.2012 20:33, Jeffrey Ryan wrote:
Thanks Uwe for the clarification on what goes and what stays. Still fuzzy on the notion of "significant" though. ?Do you have an example or two for the list?
We have to look at those notes again and again in order to find if something important is noted, hence please always try to avoid all notes unless the effect is really intended! Consider the Note "No visible binding for global variable" We cannot know if your code intends to use such a global variable (which is undesirable in most cases), hence would let is pass if it seems to be sensible. Another Note such as "empty section" or "partial argument match" can quickly be fixed, hence just do it and don't waste our time. Best, Uwe Ligges
What is the point of notes vs warnings if you have to get rid of both of them? ?Furthermore, if there are notes that you don't have to get rid of its not fair that package developers should have to waste their time on things that are actually acceptable. ?Finally, it makes the whole system arbitrary since packages can be rejected based on undefined rules.
The "notes" are precisely the things for which clear rules can't be written. They are reported by CMD check because they are usually signs of coding errors, but are not warnings because their use is sometimes justified. The 'No visible binding for global variable" is a good example. This found some bugs in my 'survey' package, which I removed. There is still one note of this type, which arises when I have to handle two different versions of the hexbin package with different internal structures. The note is a false positive because the use is guarded by an if(), but CMD check can't tell this. So, it's a good idea to remove all Notes that can be removed without introducing other code problems, which is nearly all of them, but occasionally there may be a good reason for code that produces a Note. But if you want a simple, unambiguous, mechanical rule for *your* packages, just eliminate all Notes. -thomas
Thomas Lumley Professor of Biostatistics University of Auckland