Hi all,
I'm trying to implement the matrix multiplication operator, which is
S4 generic, for an old-style S3 class. The following works as
expected:
x <- 1:10
class(x) <- "myClass"
setOldClass("myClass")
setGeneric("myMethod", function(x, y) standardGeneric("myMethod"))
setMethod("myMethod", c("myClass", "myClass"), function(x, y)
message("dispatched!"))
myMethod(x, x)
#> dispatched!
but I don't understand why the following won't:
setMethod("%*%", c("myClass", "myClass"), function(x, y) message("dispatched!"))
x %*% x
#> [,1]
#> [1,] 385
Is this approach wrong?
Regards,
I?aki
S4 method implementation for S3 class
6 messages · Iñaki Ucar, Michael Lawrence, Joris Meys
The %*% function is a primitive. As it says in the documentation under
?Methods_Details
Methods may be defined for most primitives, and corresponding
metadata objects will be created to store them. Calls to the
primitive still go directly to the C code, which will sometimes
check for applicable methods. The definition of ?sometimes? is
that methods must have been detected for the function in some
package loaded in the session and ?isS4(x)? is ?TRUE? for the
first argument (or for the second argument, in the case of binary
operators).
But:
isS4(x)
[1] FALSE I think this behavior is in the interest of performance. It avoids adding S4 dispatch overhead to e.g. matrix objects. In general, it's best to define an S4 class when using S4 dispatch, but it sounds like you're stuck using some legacy S3 objects. In that case, one would normally define an S3 method for `%*%()` that delegates to a custom non-primitive generic, perhaps "matmult" in this case. But since %*% is not an S3 generic, that's not an option. It would help to hear more about the context of the problem. Michael
On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 5:44 AM, I?aki ?car <i.ucar86 at gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all,
I'm trying to implement the matrix multiplication operator, which is
S4 generic, for an old-style S3 class. The following works as
expected:
x <- 1:10
class(x) <- "myClass"
setOldClass("myClass")
setGeneric("myMethod", function(x, y) standardGeneric("myMethod"))
setMethod("myMethod", c("myClass", "myClass"), function(x, y)
message("dispatched!"))
myMethod(x, x)
#> dispatched!
but I don't understand why the following won't:
setMethod("%*%", c("myClass", "myClass"), function(x, y) message("dispatched!"))
x %*% x
#> [,1]
#> [1,] 385
Is this approach wrong?
Regards,
I?aki
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2017-09-22 19:04 GMT+02:00 Michael Lawrence <lawrence.michael at gene.com>:
The %*% function is a primitive. As it says in the documentation under
?Methods_Details
Methods may be defined for most primitives, and corresponding
metadata objects will be created to store them. Calls to the
primitive still go directly to the C code, which will sometimes
check for applicable methods. The definition of ?sometimes? is
that methods must have been detected for the function in some
package loaded in the session and ?isS4(x)? is ?TRUE? for the
first argument (or for the second argument, in the case of binary
operators).
But:
isS4(x)
[1] FALSE I think this behavior is in the interest of performance. It avoids adding S4 dispatch overhead to e.g. matrix objects.
I see, thanks for the explanation.
In general, it's best to define an S4 class when using S4 dispatch, but it sounds like you're stuck using some legacy S3 objects. In that case, one would normally define an S3 method for `%*%()` that delegates to a custom non-primitive generic, perhaps "matmult" in this case. But since %*% is not an S3 generic, that's not an option. It would help to hear more about the context of the problem.
This is a problem that Edzer Pebesma and I are facing in our packages units and errors respectively (you can find both on CRAN). They are designed in a similar way: units or errors are attached to numeric vectors as an attribute of an S3 class, and Ops, Math and Summary are redefined to cope with such units/errors. Then Edzer found that the %*% operator silently drops the attributes, so we were trying, without success, to set a method for our respective S3 classes to at least show a warning stating that the units/errors are being dropped. Ours are perfect use cases for S3 classes, and it would be a pitty if we have to switch everything to S4 just to show a warning. Clearly overkilling. Isn't there another way? I?aki
On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 10:28 AM, I?aki ?car <i.ucar86 at gmail.com> wrote:
2017-09-22 19:04 GMT+02:00 Michael Lawrence <lawrence.michael at gene.com>:
The %*% function is a primitive. As it says in the documentation under
?Methods_Details
Methods may be defined for most primitives, and corresponding
metadata objects will be created to store them. Calls to the
primitive still go directly to the C code, which will sometimes
check for applicable methods. The definition of ?sometimes? is
that methods must have been detected for the function in some
package loaded in the session and ?isS4(x)? is ?TRUE? for the
first argument (or for the second argument, in the case of binary
operators).
But:
isS4(x)
[1] FALSE I think this behavior is in the interest of performance. It avoids adding S4 dispatch overhead to e.g. matrix objects.
I see, thanks for the explanation.
In general, it's best to define an S4 class when using S4 dispatch, but it sounds like you're stuck using some legacy S3 objects. In that case, one would normally define an S3 method for `%*%()` that delegates to a custom non-primitive generic, perhaps "matmult" in this case. But since %*% is not an S3 generic, that's not an option. It would help to hear more about the context of the problem.
This is a problem that Edzer Pebesma and I are facing in our packages units and errors respectively (you can find both on CRAN). They are designed in a similar way: units or errors are attached to numeric vectors as an attribute of an S3 class, and Ops, Math and Summary are redefined to cope with such units/errors. Then Edzer found that the %*% operator silently drops the attributes, so we were trying, without success, to set a method for our respective S3 classes to at least show a warning stating that the units/errors are being dropped. Ours are perfect use cases for S3 classes, and it would be a pitty if we have to switch everything to S4 just to show a warning. Clearly overkilling. Isn't there another way?
There is formally no such thing as an S3 class. Just S3 objects with a
class attribute. You could extend a base class with an S4 class, like
setClass("IntegerWithUnits", slots=c(units="Units"),
contains="integer"). Sure, that's a disruptive change, but it would be
in the right direction.
Extending base classes is always a risky proposition, as you've
discovered. Ideally you would override every transformation in order
to adjust or carry over the representation accordingly. The problem is
that there's a huge amount of transformations available for base
classes, mostly not encapsulated by generics.
Other possibilities include:
- Convincing someone to make %*% an internal S3 generic
- Promoting %*% to an R-level S3 generic, which would only work with
code that sees your namespace
Hopefully others have better ideas,
Michael
I?aki
There is formally no such thing as an S3 class. Just S3 objects with a
class attribute. You could extend a base class with an S4 class, like
setClass("IntegerWithUnits", slots=c(units="Units"),
contains="integer"). Sure, that's a disruptive change, but it would be
in the right direction.
Extending base classes is always a risky proposition, as you've
discovered. Ideally you would override every transformation in order
to adjust or carry over the representation accordingly. The problem is
that there's a huge amount of transformations available for base
classes, mostly not encapsulated by generics.
Other possibilities include:
- Convincing someone to make %*% an internal S3 generic
- Promoting %*% to an R-level S3 generic, which would only work with
code that sees your namespace
Hopefully others have better ideas,
Michael
Thanks for your kind help and suggestions, Michael. I think I'll take the last option as a workaround, at least until I evaluate the advantages and drawbacks of a complete redesign. I?aki
You can always check eg the Matrix package to show you how it's done. Cheers Joris
On Sat, Sep 23, 2017 at 6:17 PM, I?aki ?car <i.ucar86 at gmail.com> wrote:
There is formally no such thing as an S3 class. Just S3 objects with a
class attribute. You could extend a base class with an S4 class, like
setClass("IntegerWithUnits", slots=c(units="Units"),
contains="integer"). Sure, that's a disruptive change, but it would be
in the right direction.
Extending base classes is always a risky proposition, as you've
discovered. Ideally you would override every transformation in order
to adjust or carry over the representation accordingly. The problem is
that there's a huge amount of transformations available for base
classes, mostly not encapsulated by generics.
Other possibilities include:
- Convincing someone to make %*% an internal S3 generic
- Promoting %*% to an R-level S3 generic, which would only work with
code that sees your namespace
Hopefully others have better ideas,
Michael
Thanks for your kind help and suggestions, Michael. I think I'll take the last option as a workaround, at least until I evaluate the advantages and drawbacks of a complete redesign. I?aki
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