Hello, I saw Binaries, stable release-souzrces and daily snapshots of R, but not something like a repository, visible for the public (like on githb for example). How is the R development handled, what repositories / source code versioning tools are used, who are the developers? And is there something like a plan with future goals, which are planned for the next releases? Are there areas, where help is needed? And in which way could support be done? Ciao, Oliver
Who does develop the R core and libs, and how / where is it hosted?
12 messages · oliver, Joshua Ulrich, Brian Lee Yung Rowe +4 more
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 2:29 PM, oliver <oliver at first.in-berlin.de> wrote:
Hello, I saw Binaries, stable release-souzrces and daily snapshots of R, but not something like a repository, visible for the public (like on githb for example).
Go to http://www.r-project.org and click the "Developer Page" link in the left-hand column.
How is the R development handled, what repositories / source code versioning tools are used, who are the developers?
Ibid, and Go to http://www.r-project.org and click the "Contributors" link in the left-hand column.
And is there something like a plan with future goals, which are planned for the next releases? Are there areas, where help is needed? And in which way could support be done? Ciao, Oliver
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On Jan 14, 2013, at 3:29 PM, oliver wrote:
Hello, I saw Binaries, stable release-souzrces and daily snapshots of R, but not something like a repository, visible for the public (like on githb for example).
Ehm, I would expect a bit better from someone who is on the list for several years ;) - the reading the docs - in particular you'll find answers to most of your questions in the FAQ ...
How is the R development handled, what repositories / source code versioning tools are used, who are the developers? And is there something like a plan with future goals, which are planned for the next releases?
See developer.r-project.org, other than that features are typically announced in NEWS as they are being implemented.
Are there areas, where help is needed?
If you have someone with a good R knowledge, check out the wish list.
And in which way could support be done?
Write good packages, provide patches to R, donate to R foundation? Cheers, Simon
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 03:50:04PM -0500, Simon Urbanek wrote:
On Jan 14, 2013, at 3:29 PM, oliver wrote:
Hello, I saw Binaries, stable release-souzrces and daily snapshots of R, but not something like a repository, visible for the public (like on githb for example).
Ehm, I would expect a bit better from someone who is on the list for several years ;) - the reading the docs - in particular you'll find answers to most of your questions in the FAQ ...
[...] Well, most often, I just save the mailinglist postings into the folder where it belongs to... (Less than even lurking, only sometimes reading some postings.) ...and... when I'm not involved in a task, things start to disappear in from mind. Much traffic in my inbox ;-) Also I thought, sending a direct question might trigger certain responses. There are much FAQs around in the web. A FAQ is less direct, and just one of the many text documents around... Something like "Future plans in development of R" I would not await to be inside a FAQ.
How is the R development handled, what repositories / source code versioning tools are used, who are the developers? And is there something like a plan with future goals, which are planned for the next releases?
See developer.r-project.org, other than that features are typically announced in NEWS as they are being implemented.
Future goals I would expect not being part of NEWS. NEWS is like "what we already have done", not "what our future plans are".
Are there areas, where help is needed?
If you have someone with a good R knowledge, check out the wish list.
OK, wish list seems to be the right thing.
And in which way could support be done?
Write good packages, provide patches to R, donate to R foundation?
[...]
"Good packages" might be good (in quality), but not necessarily give
the R project a boost, if only a handful of users would need such a package.
Providing patches maybe would make sense to me.
Donate to R foundation? Hmhh, I would rather donate with via source code.
BTW: I looked up the string "wish list" in some of the mentioned docs (mentioned in this thread)
but did not found it.
Can you please point me to it directly?
Googling for "R wish list" brings me links to a producer of toys.
Or did you mean I should ask R users for their wishes??!
(Some R users - on this list - asked for Julia language as a speedup alternative for R a while ago...)
Thanks for the response.
All in all it seems like no special things need to be done.
The FSF for example has a page where they ask for support in certain areas,
so, this looks rather urgent.
R seems not to have such urgent needs for support....
=> Question answered.
Ciao,
Oliver
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On Jan 14, 2013, at 7:55 PM, Oliver Bandel wrote:
Am 15.01.2013 um 01:11 schrieb Brian Lee Yung Rowe <rowe at muxspace.com>:
On Jan 14, 2013, at 6:32 PM, oliver <oliver at first.in-berlin.de> wrote:
BTW: I looked up the string "wish list" in some of the mentioned docs (mentioned in this thread)
but did not found it.
Can you please point me to it directly?
Googling for "R wish list" brings me links to a producer of toys.
Or did you mean I should ask R users for their wishes??!
(Some R users - on this list - asked for Julia language as a speedup alternative for R a while ago?)
Is this what you're looking for: http://developer.r-project.org/ (see TODO lists)
Ah, yes,there are TODO lists, thanks. This is at least some kind of thing yi was looking for. But these are personell TODO lists. Are their any goals for R as whole project?
All in all it seems like no special things need to be done. The FSF for example has a page where they ask for support in certain areas, so, this looks rather urgent. R seems not to have such urgent needs for support....
How about cleaning up some of the documentation/wiki pages?
I'm not a friend of seperating design, coding, documentation, ... IMHO this should be something that is not seperated. And I also think, that the way, R packages will be written (code as well as documentation together) uses the same kind of philosophy. I was very happy about this close relation between code and documentation,mthat is necessary to wrte a package. I thought the same holds true for R project as a whole. So I maybe was wrong with this assumption.
Actually, it does hold true - all R documentation is part of the R sources. Maybe it's a sign of a relative maturity of R that we don't have a particular "milestone"-like agenda. Typically, most things can be supplied as packages - the only reason to touch the core of R itself is if it is something that cannot be done as a package, and given R's modularity that is fortunately not very often the case. Cheers, Simon
Oliver Bandel <oliver <at> first.in-berlin.de> writes:
Am 15.01.2013 um 01:11 schrieb Brian Lee Yung Rowe <rowe <at> muxspace.com>:
On Jan 14, 2013, at 6:32 PM, oliver <oliver <at> first.in-berlin.de> wrote:
BTW: I looked up the string "wish list"
in some of the mentioned docs (mentioned in this thread)
but did not found it.
Can you please point me to it directly?
Googling for "R wish list" brings me links to a producer of toys.
[snip]
Is this what you're looking for: http://developer.r-project.org/
(see TODO lists)
But do note that most of of them are VERY old ...
This is at least some kind of thing yi was looking for. But these are personell TODO lists. Are their any goals for R as whole project?
All in all it seems like no special things need to be done. The FSF for example has a page where they ask for support in certain areas, so, this looks rather urgent. R seems not to have such urgent needs for support....
[snip]
These stack overflow questions might provide some useful
perspective (URLs broken to make Gmane happy -- sorry)
stackoverflow.com/questions/4054585/
how-can-i-contribute-to-base-r-in-small-ways/
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8065835/
proposing-feature-requests-to-the-r-core-team/
Hi,
On 01/14/2013 05:04 PM, Simon Urbanek wrote:
[...]
Maybe it's a sign of a relative maturity of R that we don't have a particular "milestone"-like agenda.
There are many ways one can interpret the lack of an official roadmap for a software project. However "maturity" is certainly not one I would have thought of. But maybe I'm biased by having followed to many other Open Source projects that do have a roadmap, regardless of whether they consider themselves mature or not.
Typically, most things can be supplied as packages - the only reason to touch the core of R itself is if it is something that cannot be done as a package,
Or because it could be (and actually was) done as a package but for some reasons it feels like it belongs to the core? Examples: parallel, bitops, getParseData, etc...
and given R's modularity that is fortunately not very often the case.
Modularity would be even better if more things *in core* were made generics. For example why the stuff in parallel was not made generic? (at least S3 generic) Thanks, H.
Cheers, Simon
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On 01/15/2013 03:25 PM, elijah wright wrote:
On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 12:46 PM, Herv? Pag?s <hpages at fhcrc.org
<mailto:hpages at fhcrc.org>> wrote:
and given R's modularity that is fortunately not very often the
case.
Modularity would be even better if more things *in core* were made
generics. For example why the stuff in parallel was not made generic?
(at least S3 generic)
The better to give interesting people GSoC projects with, of course! ;-)
... nearly everyone appreciates patches that improve their projects to
noticeable benefit. If you like parallel better a different way...
collude and make it rock.
Sure. And in that particular case the patch wouldn't be hard to produce. My comment was more in the context of the roadmap discussion. So to make my point clear I believe that having an official public roadmap can't hurt, even for a project that has reached some level of maturity. One obvious benefit is that it provides more opportunity for discussion/suggestions/input between the community and R core *before* things happen. In the case of the parallel package, maybe there are good reasons for not making the stuff in parallel generic, I don't know. I could go ahead and start working on a patch now, living in my own world, following my own dream, but I'd rather try to discuss this a little bit before. Don't you think? To make my point even clearer, I think having a public roadmap is by itself a sign of maturity. Rather than not having one. Cheers, H.
best, --e
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