Skip to content

R Newsletter: 1st Call for Articles

4 messages · Venables, Bill (CMIS, Cleveland), j.visch@math.canterbury.ac.nz, Brian Ripley +1 more

#
With regard to the burgeoning side-discussion on whether or not to accept
WORD submissions, I plead for a quick, decisive and final ruling in the
negative.

Apart from the major practical considerations to do with the amount of work
putting together a document from sources of both kinds and achieving an
acceptable result, there is the relatively minor issue of principle: R is
open source software and should do what it can to promote the use of other
open source products.

I fully realise that this will create problems for people who are not
familiar with LaTeX.  I hope for people like Yves it is the start of a
liberating journey of discovery...but for many it will not be.  It would
seem to me the best option for such people is simply to accept submissions
in neat ASCII, (with some diffidence, of course, as such submissions will
require someone to do a lot of work before they can be incorporated into a
document).

When it comes to submitting graphics, though, I have no easy solution for
those unfortunates crippled and imprisoned by the MicroSoft arrogation of
the universe.  It would be simple if R had a pdf.graph device: is any such
development in prospect?  For that matter, how should Unix/Linux people
submit graphics?

Charles Berry observes:
Yes, but....  MathType is yet another (stiffly priced) commercial add-on, it
is only one version of MathType that has the TeX output options and as far
as I can see mathematical typesetting is not going to be a large part of the
newsletter, anyway.  I would also claim that the TeX output you get from
such automatically produced stuff is not always very good TeX, too...for
example, vulgar fractions such as 1/2 are always too large.  I'm not all
that sure this intended courtesy to the person putting the newsletter
together would actually save very much work.  The best solution from all
points of view is the hard one: encourage submissions in GOOD LaTeX.

Bill Venables.

--
Bill Venables, CSIRO/CMIS Environmetrics Project
Email: Bill.Venables@cmis.csiro.au
Phone: +61 7 3826 7251
Fax:   +61 7 3826 7304
Postal: PO Box 120, Cleveland, Qld 4163, AUSTRALIA
"Natum videte, regem angelorum.  Venite adoremus!"
-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-
r-devel mailing list -- Read http://www.ci.tuwien.ac.at/~hornik/R/R-FAQ.html
Send "info", "help", or "[un]subscribe"
(in the "body", not the subject !)  To: r-devel-request@stat.math.ethz.ch
_._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._
#
Bill Venables writes:
 > With regard to the burgeoning side-discussion on whether or not to accept
 > WORD submissions, I plead for a quick, decisive and final ruling in the
 > negative.

Why not just give the word users a latex template they can fill in.
After all most of latex is just copying from previous documents.
-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-
r-devel mailing list -- Read http://www.ci.tuwien.ac.at/~hornik/R/R-FAQ.html
Send "info", "help", or "[un]subscribe"
(in the "body", not the subject !)  To: r-devel-request@stat.math.ethz.ch
_._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._
#
On Thu, 21 Dec 2000 Bill.Venables@CMIS.CSIRO.AU wrote:

            
One option for Word users is to save in RTF, which is at least a documented
format (and shared between word processors).  Then get a copy of rtf2latex  
or (better) rtf2latex2e from CTAN and check out the conversion.
 
Peter D mentioned MiKTeX.  I would recommend fptex to Windows users
instead: it is closer to the Unix/Linux standard system (teTeX) and is
more complete and up-to-date.  (The latter is particularly important for    
pdftex users: for example at one time fptex would process the R refman.pdf, 
and MikTeX would not.)  fptex used to be harder to instll, but no longer,
and it is the preferred system on the TeXLive5 distribution, I'm told.
Yes, there is one already (take a closer look at bitmap, whose help says

     Note: despite the name of the functions they can produce PDF via
     `type = "pdfwrite"', and the PDF produced is not bitmapped.

).  A native PDF device is planned, and was one of the reasons for the
changes to postscript() in 1.2.0 (to enable code to be shared).
For some time my entry on developer.r-project.org has said

   A native PDF graphics driver.

and that site is a good place to look for future plans (but some team
members keep their secret).

I don't see the problem: R can produce PostScript everywhere, and it
can even produce EPS these days.  Windows users can produce other figures
in WMF if they want, but that can be converted to EPS successfully by a
number of routes.  If people want to annotate figures, R can produce .fig,
and xfig runs under Unix/Linux and Windows ....   So I suggest figures be
produced in PostScript.
#
Hi,

If I can humbly suggest, a standard template that could be used for the
"text" part on any platform. This would certainly be one if not the best
solution. Complement this with postscript graphics as suggested by Prof.
Ripley or chose any other output that R itself can produce and show us how
to embed these in our text maybe as an example in the template.

Then where left with equations I think and here again, if I'm not mistaking,
R as some utilities for that as well or maybe for those like me who know
nothing about Latex except the name, you could direct us to some Latex
guide, tutorial or whatever that could help us imbed equation in our text.

I think this is common practice as I ear some of you complain that this
editor wants this or that standard for their submitted papers.

This kind of solution would have the merit of stopping the ongoing war of
words between the two major community of pc users.

Regards

Yves Gauvreau
-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-
r-devel mailing list -- Read http://www.ci.tuwien.ac.at/~hornik/R/R-FAQ.html
Send "info", "help", or "[un]subscribe"
(in the "body", not the subject !)  To: r-devel-request@stat.math.ethz.ch
_._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._