Grumble ...

"Ted" == Ted Harding <Ted.Harding at nessie.mcc.ac.uk>

[...]
    Ted> [...]  The "Challenge"
    Ted> mechanism would destroy the mailing-list community if
    Ted> it became widely adopted.

Exactly.
I've received such a message myself from the same "machine" and
-- as mailing list manager -- tried to find out more.

The problem is that diagnosticando at uol.com.br is not subscribed
to R-help. One other person is and I have written e-mail to that
address withOUT getting such a message back..

Again, I completely agree that it is absolutely inacceptable 
to subscribe from such a spam-blocking address.


    Ted> One reason I am posting this grumble to R-help is in
    Ted> the hope that I get a challenge to this one too. In
    Ted> that case, once and for all, I shall respond, so that
    Ted> the recipient will see this message and (I hope) do
    Ted> something about it, to eliminate the "Challenge"
    Ted> responder (I can't find the true recipient's email
    Ted> address from the "Challenge").

please let me (or R-help too) know what you find out.

Martin Maechler, ETH Zurich
(R-help mailing list maintainer)

Hi Martin,
I'm pleased to receive such positive support! (I was apprehensive
about annoying the list with this issue).

I did get a "Challenge" to the Grumble, so I confirmed that one.
I have heard nothing yet from anyone who might be connected to
uol.com.br but of course may do so later.

I visited the uol.com.br website and found the following on it:

  http://antispam.uol.com.br/autorizados.jhtm#discussao

  4. Como autorizar listas de discuss??o?
  As mensagens de algumas listas/grupos de discuss??o
  chegam com o campo "Para:" preenchido com um e-mail
  que n??o ?? o seu (e sim o e-mail geral da lista).
  Para receber estas mensagens em sua pasta de entrada,
  acesse o Web Mail e clique no op????o Grupos/Listas do
  AntiSpam UOL. Em seguida, autorize o e-mail das listas
  que voc?? participa.

which, as well as I can understand it, suggests that someone
subscribed to a mailing list can set that mailing-list as an
acceptable sender. What's not clear to me is whether, having
done that, it over-rides challenging the originator (e.g. me)
of the message.

Thanks, and best wishes,
Ted.


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