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structured random effects

Thanks to Douglas and Spencer for their helpful replies.

I take that as a fairly authoritative "no" to my question!  The 
difficulty
in the model I mentioned is not only the crossed design, but the
"homologous" factors (ie i and j take the same values),
and U_i - U_j with the *same* "U" variable
appearing twice with different subscripts in the predictor.

Thanks again -- I am happy to know that If I work on this I'm not
reinventing what already exists.

Best regards,
David
On Friday, Feb 6, 2004, at 18:28 Europe/London, Douglas Bates wrote: