Charts to M$Word - what's the best format
-----Original Message----- From: r-help-bounces at stat.math.ethz.ch [mailto:r-help-bounces at stat.math.ethz.ch] On Behalf Of Frank E Harrell Jr Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 9:45 AM To: Prof Brian Ripley Cc: r-help at stat.math.ethz.ch; tblackw at umich.edu Subject: Re: [R] Charts to M$Word - what's the best format On Mon, 14 Apr 2003 15:00:58 +0100 (BST) Prof Brian Ripley <ripley at stats.ox.ac.uk> wrote:
On Mon, 14 Apr 2003, Thomas W Blackwell wrote:
I think maybe the question is, how do you import postscript
format
into an M$Word document. I am NOT a word user, but I had
to do this
some years ago and found that it IS possible to import
postscript.
You do something like "import picture ... (some kind of generic- sounding graphics format)", and it works fine. The postscript behaves very nicely once you get it in. You have to play around quite a bit, and try some very unlikely sounding possibilities to
get it in, but it WILL work. There are definitely some
shortcomings
in the documentation for M$Word (to put it charitably).
It just works in modern versions of Word under Windows, provided
you
have a postscript printer. Insert | Picture | From file ... and select the file. What does not work well is the preview, if the PS
file has one (which R ones do not). Our secretaries were doing this (with S-PLUS figures) a decade ago,
and it worked the same way then. -- Brian D. Ripley, ripley at stats.ox.ac.uk
I have never understood why more people don't use this approach. Even without a postscript printer it is an excellent approach; you can install Adobe Acrobat Distiller and print to non-postscript printers (same with Ghostscript). -- Frank E Harrell Jr Prof. of Biostatistics & Statistics Div. of Biostatistics & Epidem. Dept. of Health Evaluation Sciences U. Virginia School of Medicine http://hesweb1.med.virginia.edu/biostat
I think that part of the issue is how the Word (and related Office) files will be used and by whom. If only by the person generating the file or immediate staff, such as the scenario Prof. Ripley indicated, this is not a significant issue. On the other hand, if you are going to send the file to a third party, then there is the real challenge of the lack of portability to folks without PS printing support and/or who don't like the lack of a PS preview capability. At the risk of broad generalization, this is more likely to be an issue with less technical folks and/or those who may be in a industry business setting and may not have or may not be comfortable with using third party or open source applications such as GS/GSView. For my own use, whether under Windows or Linux, I have the flexibility of using whatever fits the task at hand, which may be PNG, PS or PDF typically. I have GS/GSview installed under Windows, so I can go back and forth easily. If I am printing the documents/graphics here (I use an Oki 7400n color laser w/PS 3), then I have no other issues. However, when I send Word or PowerPoint files with embedded graphics to Windows based clients (which is almost all at this point), they prefer it when I incorporate WMF graphics, which they can view and print without using third party applications. WMF formats preserve very reasonable quality and can be re-sized as needed, which non-vector formats cannot be without losing image quality. They tend to prefer this approach over using PDF files even after considering the free availability of the Acrobat Reader. They want to be able to open the attachment, see what they need to see, discuss it, perhaps print it (not always) and move on. I consider this a "customer service" requirement. I suspect that this will change as more people become comfortable with non-Windows platforms and open source applications, especially the IS/IT support departments who will be "burdened" with the additional training and support duties required by non-technical users. The increasing adoption of OpenOffice (especially the next update version, which will support the generation of PDF files) will also put additional tools into the hands of mainstream Windows users and should help broaden the options over time as companies look for ways to reduce IS/IT costs by moving away from MS products. Regards, Marc Schwartz