Looking for a test of standard normality
--- Original Message --- From: Bert Gunter <gunter.berton at gene.com> Sent: November 12, 2012 11/12/12 To: Herschtal Alan <Alan.Herschtal at petermac.org> Cc: r-help at r-project.org Subject: Re: [R] Looking for a test of standard normality Well... On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 6:12 PM, Herschtal Alan
<Alan.Herschtal at petermac.org> wrote:
Thanks for your response. The background is that I am trying to test whether a small sample and a much larger sample actually came from the same distribution.
As this is logically impossible, I suggest you go back to basic statistics texts and review the logic of statistical hypothesis testing. Then you should follow Rolf's advice and forget about testing for normality. He told you why and provided references, IIRC. -- Cheers, Bert could just perform a KS test on the 2 samples, but
as I said, ideally I'd like a test that is more powerful than that. So I
look at the percentile ranks of the small sample within the large
sample, which should be uniformly distributed if the 2 samples are from
the same population, and then transform using "qnorm". The result should
be standard normal. Perhaps the next best alternative is to do
chi-square test on the percentiles, checking for equal numbers in each
decile bin. This would certainly work, and the only disadvantage that I
can see is that the selection of the bin boundaries is somewhat
arbitrary.
Alan Herschtal
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-----Original Message-----
From: Rolf Turner [mailto:rolf.turner at xtra.co.nz]
Sent: Friday, 9 November 2012 2:17 PM
To: Herschtal Alan
Cc: r-help at r-project.org
Subject: Re: [R] Looking for a test of standard normality
Others may correct me, but I cannot imagine any test of standard
normality
giving appreciably more power than is given by the Kolmogorov-Smirnov
test.
I also wonder about the point of testing for (standard) normality in the
first place. There is a quote --- I think it refers to testing for
heteroscedasticity,
but I believe it applies equally to testing for normality --- about
such testing
being analogous to going out of the harbour in a rowing dinghy to see if
it's
safe for an ocean liner to put to sea.
cheers,
Rolf Turner
On 09/11/12 13:23, Herschtal Alan wrote:
Dear list members, I am looking for a goodness of test that will tell me if a sample is likely to have come from a standard normal distribution. I can find plenty of omnibus tests for normality in the nor.test package, but
none
of them appear to allow me to test against the specific alternative
that
the data are not standard normal. My back up option is to use a Kolmogorov-Smirnov test, but my impression is that that is not a very powerful test. Any suggestions?
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