off-topic question: Latex and R in industries
Greetings, Adobe Illustrator works with PDFs, either directly or by converting them to Illustrator format. These vector graphics have "infinite" resolution (can be enlarged 64 fold). I find that graphics passed through MS intermediary programs lose resolution. Illustrator can also convert single-page PostScript documents (most of the time, I have seen some instrument parts diagrams with a large number of crazy loopy lines). PS documents can also be converted with Adobe Acrobat (full version). Gerard. -----Original Message----- From: r-help-bounces at stat.math.ethz.ch [mailto:r-help-bounces at stat.math.ethz.ch]On Behalf Of Donald Ingram Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 19:13 To: r-help at stat.math.ethz.ch Subject: Re: [R] off-topic question: Latex and R in industries Hi Bert and Jonathan, When I want a quality report - I write it with pdfLaTeX ( TexShop or TeXnicCenter) with postscript generated diagrams and R plots as pdf's - ( so I can use PC / UNIX / OS X inter-changeably with no problems ) The quality and readability of the pdf document is liked but, and it's a big but is ..... When someone else in the team needs to extract quality vector graphics from the report, I have to give it to them in powerpoint or word document , which means running R again on a PC to get WMF's. Not impossible just extra work. ( Is there a universal vector format I could use ? ) However, and this is probably off topic-R, when I use drawings / schematics in native postscript from a Unix box, using them is fine in LaTeX, but they can't be pasted into MS applications without first rasterizing. The other option I tried - Ghostview seems to mess up line angles and fonts in attempting conversion into WMF. ( If anyone knows a way to avoid this, I will be forever grateful ) My problems - are not R but with general UNIX - PC interoperability Thanks for the nsf links - it's good to see Latex accepted, I also think the IEEE takes LaTeX, but for the business world it's Word only. Donald
On 7 Apr 2005, at 22:56, Jonathan Baron wrote:
On 04/07/05 22:46, Donald Ingram wrote: However LaTeX generated pdfs sent out as reports are much disliked. Really? I don't have this problem. It may have something to do with how you make them. With TeTeX, I use either pdflatex or dvips followed by dvipdfm. The latter is required when I have figures in eps. (ps2pdf is BAD.) I believe that these meet the standards of NSF (http://www.fastlane.nsf.gov). Unfortunately, https://www.fastlane.nsf.gov/servlet/faq.Faq; jsessionid=a8301381731112910739147?areaIndex=3&faqIndex=12 now recommends that you just send the dvi file. They have given up on the possibility of users getting it right, but I think this is what they do. But all my papers on http://papers.ssrn.com are done this way. Jon -- Jonathan Baron, Professor of Psychology, University of Pennsylvania Home page: http://www.sas.upenn.edu/~baron
On 7 Apr 2005, at 22:56, Berton Gunter wrote:
?? R and MS coexist quite nicely. I frequently import R graphics as .wmf's into e.g. Word and Powerpoint. So I don't understand your remarks. Of course, there's no question about R's superiority for data analysis, graphs, etc. from any MS product. Incidentally, it is possible to use R via DCOM to generate data analyses and plots within Excel -- I don't know enough to be able to do this myself, but I know it can be done. -- Bert Gunter Genentech Non-Clinical Statistics South San Francisco, CA "The business of the statistician is to catalyze the scientific learning process." - George E. P. Box
-----Original Message----- From: r-help-bounces at stat.math.ethz.ch [mailto:r-help-bounces at stat.math.ethz.ch] On Behalf Of Donald Ingram Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 2:46 PM To: r-help at stat.math.ethz.ch Subject: Re: [R] off-topic question: Latex and R in industries Wensui, I work for 'A' electronics test equipment corporation. I have been using R ( since 1.6 ) instead of MATLAB etc. as a general language for data analysis and graph generation. On they way to R I tried Python/Scipy, Scilab and others - but R wins in quality and ease of use (it just needs DSP and GPIB/HPIB libraries to be perfect ). LaTeX is also my document tool of choice .. However LaTeX generated pdfs sent out as reports are much disliked. MS Word, PowerPoint and Excel are the standards, and very importantly they offer cut and paste ability across the larger team. MS's offerings comes no where near to the quality of LaTex / R, but in world of shared authorship - it's a one sided battle. My other PC universe vs Unix/OS X problem is vector / Meta-file graphics - essential for quality reports. Postscript, PDF and MS products just don't play. The newest Office and Visio versions seem to be dropping even more of the postscript import and export filters ( which never work very well anyway ). I have never met any other colleagues who use LaTeX or R. Any one else sharing the same experiences ?
Message: 37 Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 11:38:55 -0400 From: Wensui Liu <liuwensui at gmail.com> Subject: [R] off-topic question: Latex and R in industries To: r-help at stat.math.ethz.ch Message-ID: <1115a2b00504060838506d00dc at mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Latex and R are really cool stuff. I am just wondering how they are used in industry. But based on my own experience, very rare. Why? How about the opinion of other listers? Thanks.
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