cumulative incidence plot vs survival plot
Thank you David. Didn't realized someone posted related topic this morning. John ----- Original Message ---- From: David Winsemius <dwinsemius at comcast.net> To: array chip <arrayprofile at yahoo.com> Cc: r-help at r-project.org Sent: Mon, June 27, 2011 3:38:36 PM Subject: Re: [R] cumulative incidence plot vs survival plot
On Jun 27, 2011, at 5:04 PM, array chip wrote:
Hi David, Thanks for responding, and plain text ...(didn't realized I was in rich text). The endpoint is disease recurrence, I was producing a regular KM plot of recurrence-free probability. Then someone recommend using cumulative incidence is preferred because death was censored in the dataset. I did a little googling, I found CI was used often in the context of competing risk. I am totally new
to
competing risk and trying to understand what competing risk means and why CI
is
preferred than KM survival in this context. If you could share your thoughts helping me to understand, greatly appreciated. Searched archive, found people talking about cmprsk package for estimating and plotting CI. would that be the same as the code you suggested: plot(time, cumsum(dead))
I do not think it would. I think this morning's post from Dr Geskus is on point here. You should read his 2011 'Biometrics' paper. --David.
Thanks very much! John
________________________________ From: David Winsemius <dwinsemius at comcast.net> To: array chip <arrayprofile at yahoo.com> Cc: r-help at r-project.org Sent: Mon, June 27, 2011 1:45:35 PM Subject: Re: [R] cumulative incidence plot vs survival plot On Jun 27, 2011, at 4:31 PM, array chip wrote: Hi, I am wondering if anyone can explain to me if cumulative incidence (CI)
is
just "1 minus kaplan-Meier survival"?
First tell us what you think CI is defined as. I suspect it is not the same. The KM estimator is cumulative product of (alive-n(dead))/alive so is the product of interval survival probabilities. I doubt that your definition of CI has a similar denominator.
Under what circumstance, you should use cumulative incidence vs KM survival? If the relationship is just CI = 1-survival, then what difference it makes to use one vs. the other? And in R how I can draw a cumulative incidence plot.
plot(time, cumsum(dead)) ...?
I know I can make a Kaplan-Meier survival plot using plot(survfit()), for example: fit<-survfit(Surv(time,status)~group,data=data) plot(fit, col=1:2) How to draw CI plot then?
As above. Specify what you are seeking. There is a well-defined relationship between S(t) and the cumulative hazard. Maybe you should do a little study of those terms in texts regarding survival analysis.
Thanks very much! John [[alternative HTML version deleted]]
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