Don MacQueen
Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory
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On 2/2/14 1:49 PM, "Liviu Andronic" <landronimirc at gmail.com> wrote:
>Dear Duncan,
>I discovered something interesting wrt to the licensing and mirroring
>of user-contributed material on StackExchange. Please read below.
>
>
>On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 9:00 PM, Duncan Murdoch
><murdoch.duncan at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I'm not aware of a discussion on this, but I would say no.
>>> Fragmentation is bad. Further fragmentation is worse.
>>>
>>> TL;DR
>>> =====
>>>
>>> Actually I'd say all mailing lists except r-devel should be moving to
>>> StackOverlow in the future (disclaimer: I'm not affiliated with it).
>>
>>
>> I would generally agree with you, except for a few points.
>>
>> 1. I avoid StackOverflow, because they claim copyright on the
>>compilation.
>> As I read their terms of service, it would be illegal for anyone to
>>download
>> and duplicate all postings about R. So a posting there is only
>>available as
>> long as they choose to make it available. Postings to the mailing list
>>are
>> archived in several places.
>>
>It seems that StackOverflow is officially proposing user-generated
>content for download/mirroring:
>http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2014/01/stack-exchange-cc-data-now-hosted-by
>-the-internet-archive/?cb=1
>
>"All community-contributed content on Stack Exchange is licensed under
>the Creative Commons BY-SA 3.0 license. " And it is currently being
>mirrored at least at the Internet Archive:
>https://archive.org/details/stackexchange
>
>So, in principle, it would be possible/desirable to:
>- spin the 'r' tag from StackOverflow and propose an r.stackexchange.com
>at
>http://area51.stackexchange.com/categories/8/technology . Such a SE
>site would be similar to http://mathematica.stackexchange.com/
>- involve R Core to give blessing for using the R logo, if necessary.
>This would be similar to what Ubuntu does with AskUbuntu:
>http://meta.askubuntu.com/questions/5444/is-ask-ubuntu-official-ubuntu
>- set a mirror on r-project.org for all the user content that is
>produced by r.stackexchange.com , and thus allow R Core to keep the
>info publicly available at all times. The mirroring on Internet
>Archive would still hold.
>
>
>> 2. I think an interface like StackOverflow is better than the mailing
>>list
>> interface, and will eventually win out. R-help needs to do nothing,
>>once
>> someone puts together something like StackOverflow that attracts most
>>of the
>> people who give good answers, R-help will just fade away.
>>
>The advantages for such a move are countless (especially wrt to
>efficiently organizing R-related knowledge and directing users to
>appropriate sources of info), so I won't go into that. I would only
>note that most 'r-sig-*' MLs would become obsolete in such a setup,
>and would be replaced by the much more efficient tagging system of the
>SE Q&A web interface (for example, all posts appropriate for r-sig-gui
>would simply be tagged with 'gui'; no need for duplicated efforts of
>monitoring multiple mailing lists).
>
>Opinions?
>
>Liviu
>
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