Trends for many units
On 05-Jan-2001 Prof Brian D Ripley wrote:
Wouldn't you expect two grades in one school to be more similar than two grades in different schools? And would not slopes for different grades in one school be more similar than across schools? Those translate into dependence.
Yes, indeed, but I wasn't anticipating estimating all effects at the same time. What I have done before with this type of problem in SAS is to estimate parameters for one unit at a time, and doing the recalculation of the weights and the iteration manually (in a macro loop), so between unit dependence is not an issue.
For an lm-type model you can circumvent this by treating all the
school-grade combinations as fixed effects. Thus
(r)lm(Pct.Excl ~ Unit*Grade*Year)
(and I would centre Year on 1998) fits 3520 lines with a common assumed
error variance. That's a lot of parameters to fit in one go, and you will
probably find lmList in package nlme helpful. But my suggestion for a
model is
i Unit
j Grade
t Year
y_{ijt} = mu + beta_j + gamma * t + eta_i + zeta_{ij} + epsilon_{ijt}
eta, zeta, epsilon iid with common variances in each group.
that is fixed effects for Grade, random effects for Unit and Unit | Grade.
You may or may not need additional random effects
lambda_i * Year + kappa_{ij} * Year
As set up here, independence of all the rvs is plausible, but lme does not
require it. The predict.lme will give you BLUP lines for each Unit-Grade
combination, and they will not be the fitted values in the fixed-effects
model. Most social statisticians I know (and we have have some local
stars) think that the second is more valuable, and routinely use it.
Snijders, T.A.B. and Bosker, R.J. (1999) Multilevel Analysis. Sage.
have an example of IQ tests adminstered to students in classes in schools
done in exactly this way. (And that was the ref the experts recommended
for social applications.)
Thank you very much for the very valuable help (as always). ______________________________________________________________________ Stuart Luppescu -=-=- University of Chicago $(B:MJ8$HCRF`H~$NIc(B -=-=- s-luppescu at uchicago.edu http://www.consortium-chicago.org/people/sl.html Finger sl70 at musuko.uchicago.edu forPGP Public Key ICQ #21172047 AIM: psycho7070 History tends to exaggerate. -- Col. Green, "The Savage Curtain", stardate 5906.4
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