please please unsubscribe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No one is suggesting that anyone read raw headers. This is a mechanism that requires features on both the list server end and the client end... but if newbies are using modern facilities then that would be exactly their situation. Please read up on the mechanism at least a little bit before criticizing it.
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On November 30, 2014 6:16:55 AM PST, John Kane <jrkrideau at inbox.com> wrote:
The problem seems to be that the people who have a desire to unsubscrbe and post here are not the most sophisticated of users and expecting them to know how to track down the raw email or even to realise the message at the bottom of the post is meant to convey much of anything is not likely to occur to them. I have not had any need to look for the raw email and, while it only took a few seconds to find it in my email reader, one has to know it exists before one can look for it. I probably have not looked at a raw email for 3-5 years. Why would I? The chances of a newbie, possibly without much "computer" experience vs user of MS Office and E-mail even being aware such a thing exists is slig\t (snowballl in ... ?) A slight change to the footer seems like a good idea. John Kane Kingston ON Canada
-----Original Message----- From: info at aghmed.fsnet.co.uk Sent: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 14:02:12 +0000 To: jsorkin at grecc.umaryland.edu, hb at biostat.ucsf.edu Subject: Re: [R] please please unsubscribe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dear John Perhaps you have set your mail client to hide them? Your email
certainly
has them when I go Options | View | Headers | All in Thunderbird. Michael On 30/11/2014 12:05, John Sorkin wrote:
The headers listed below as being part of the ?raw" email messages
are
not seen, at least not in the messages I receive. John
John David Sorkin M.D., Ph.D. Professor of Medicine Chief, Biostatistics and Informatics University of Maryland School of Medicine Division of Gerontology
and
Geriatric Medicine
Baltimore VA Medical Center 10 North Greene Street GRECC (BT/18/GR) Baltimore, MD 21201-1524 (Phone) 410-605-7119 (Fax) 410-605-7913 (Please call phone number above prior to faxing)
On Nov 29, 2014, at 11:22 PM, Henrik Bengtsson
<hb at biostat.ucsf.edu>
wrote:
On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 7:32 PM, Jeff Newmiller <jdnewmil at dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
To be fair, Rolf, they have already found difficulty and are
trying
to find their way out of this torrent, and impeding their way is not
in
anyone's interest.
John: I agree that adding the word "unsubscribe" to the footer
would
probably help those lost enough to be mailing the list. The existing
web
page does have that word on it, though.
Fabio: I was unaware of the unsubscribe header... looks
interesting,
though I would be concerned that it seems like it might bypass the password protection currently in place, making it susceptible to
abuse.
However, there seem to be quite a lot of organizations using it so
it
may work better than my initial impression tells me it does.
FYI, if you look at the raw email messages, they all have the following in the header: X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: "Main R Mailing List: Primary help" <r-help.r-project.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/options/r-help>, <mailto:r-help-request at r-project.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://stat.ethz.ch/pipermail/r-help/> List-Post: <mailto:r-help at r-project.org> List-Help: <mailto:r-help-request at r-project.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help>, <mailto:r-help-request at r-project.org?subject=subscribe> Note that "List-Unsubscribe" field [http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2369.html]. That does not seem to be enough to have Gmail add a "unsubscribe" button/link (which is
indeed
a useful UX feature). Google mention some more requirements in https://support.google.com/mail/answer/81126#unsub, particularly "'Precedence: bulk'", which I find on since mailing lists typically use "list" just as r-help does. I also found a mentioning on "DKIM key signature" being required
So, not sure how easy it is to enable all this for the list(s)
(which
are handled by Mailman). My $.02 /Henrik
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On November 29, 2014 6:14:11 PM PST, Rolf Turner
<r.turner at auckland.ac.nz> wrote:
On 30/11/14 14:16, John Sorkin wrote: I don't see a link that is labeled "unsubscribe".
<SNIP>
On Nov 29, 2014, at 7:35 PM, Jeff Newmiller
<jdnewmil at dcn.davis.CA.us>
wrote:
In what way would that be unlike the link that is already
there?
<SNIP>
On November 29, 2014 4:09:29 PM PST, John Sorkin
<jsorkin at grecc.umaryland.edu> wrote:
Requests like this appear from time to time. Would it make
sense
to
add a link to the bottom of the email messages generated by
the
program that is labeled>>> Well, there is no "unsubscribe"
page as
such. The link given, i.e.
https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help takes you to the primary help page. That provides a link to a
(password
protected) page where you can handle all matters pertaining to
your
r-help subscription, including unsubscribing. I suppose that it might be possible to provide a link taking one directly to this second page, but: (1) It would add clutter (I'm sure we don't want to delete the
link
to
the primary help page). (2) The password protection might get complicated; I don't know
about
such matters. (3) I don't think we want to waste time and resources helping
people
who are too stupid and illiterate to find their way to the
unsubscribe
facility on the basis of what is already provided. They
shouldn't
be
R users in the first place. One needs at least two grey cells to
rub
together to deal with R. cheers, Rolf Turner
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