Gregory (Greg) L. Snow Ph.D.
Statistical Data Center
Intermountain Healthcare
greg.snow at imail.org
801.408.8111
> -----Original Message-----
> From: r-help-bounces at r-project.org [mailto:r-help-bounces at r-
> project.org] On Behalf Of chrishold at psyctc.org
> Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 12:34 PM
> To: David Winsemius; r-help at r-project.org
> Cc: r-core at r-project.org
> Subject: Re: [R] formatted output facilities ... was ..Oddity with
> internet access and R 11.0 - solved
>
> David Winsemius sent the following at 24/04/2010 18:24:
> >> Now that I'm here, courtesy of my time slip, what I'd really love to
> see
> >> in R 10.0.0, or even 2.12.0, is the choice to have output either in
> the
> >> current plain text or to some simple formatting primitives that
> would
> >> have default tabs & tables for matrices etc. and allow embedded
> >> graphics. I'd love to be able to opt to save that as HTML, XML,
> TeX,
> >> RTF, ODF wihthout the complexities of Sweave, ODFWeave, R2HTML etc.
> >>
> >> I know the complexities of Sweave etc. are child's play to
> numerically
> >> and computer gifted people such as yourself Professor, and the R
> core
> >> team, but for those of us who proselytise for R to mere
> psychologists,
> >> doctors, psychotherapists etc., that complexity is hard and the
> hassles
> >> of reformatting text to nice tables etc. discourages people from
> coming
> >> across from SPSS I know.
> >
> > --
> >> require(xtable)
> > Loading required package: xtable
> >> ?xtable
> >
> > --
> > David (a mere doctor).
>
> Not "mere" to me David.
>
> Yes, I know xtable and use it a bit, well, quite a lot when I was
> writing R things for cgi use on the web. I'm sure it's evolved (quick
> check suggests it has and great to see that aov, lm etc. are all
> covered). However, it really does underline my point: you have to know
> it exists, you have to load it, then what you get on screen is either
> TeX or HTML formatted things and it doesn't embed graphics. As I
> generally (boo hiss) have to get things to end up in Word documents it
> means I have to save to HTML and import from there.
>
> I did also work a bit with ODFweave and really liked it but kept
> hitting
> problems and found the extra layer between me and debugging my very bad
> R coding meant that I didn't really make the leap from using ESS & R
> and
> raw output. Not helped by work restrictions ensuring I couldn't really
> make the leap from Word to Open Office but the main problems were more
> of a feeling of more layers between me and R. I've got used to ESS and
> love it but that leaves me stuck with these output reformatting
> challenges.
>
> Xtable is wonderful and surely provides a lot of the functions that I'd
> love to see embedded into the R core. If we get into my R tardis, and
> go to R 10.0.0, or could it only be R 2.13.0 say, those things would
> support an option to stream R output into lightly formatted form AND
> render and save that. I'm looking for table handling such as xtable
> provides, tabs and embedding of graphics though if that last didn't
> come
> for years, I'd still be happy to have the text formatting and I'd love
> to be able to chose saving to at least a couple of ODF, RTF, HTML, Tex.
>
> As well as the code in xtable, I'm sure other resources are in
> ODFweave,
> Sweave that would help this. I know it's a significant programming
> challenge to do that, particularly in a program that so brilliantly
> embraces so many different platforms.
>
> One of my guesses is that just allowing addition of tabs into the
> routine R output and encouraging us all to start using them, would be a
> huge step forward.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Chris
>
> P.S. I'm cc'g to r-core as this is really a plea to the core team.
> Sorry if that's a breach of R etiquette.
>
> --
> Chris Evans <chris at psyctc.org> Skype: chris-psyctc
> Consultant Psychiatrist in Psychotherapy, Notts. PDD network;
> Trust Research Governance Lead and Clinical Director, Psychological
> Therapies Directorate in Local Services, Nottinghamshire NHS Trust;
> Professor, Psychotherapy, Nottingham University
> *If I am writing from one of those roles, it will be clear. Otherwise*
> *my views are my own and not representative of those institutions *
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