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Junk or not Junk

10 messages · Loren Engrav, Duncan Murdoch, David Hewitt +3 more

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Loren Engrav
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So a message from 

Benilton Carvalho <bcarvalh at jhsph.edu> (sent by
r-help-bounces at r-project.org)

 arrives and goes in the Junk Mail even tho I have set @r-project.org to not
be junk

Why does this go in Junk mail if @r-project.org is defined as not junk?
Duncan Murdoch
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On 03/12/2007 8:56 PM, Loren Engrav wrote:
Why are you asking us about how you have your mail filters set up?

If you didn't set them up yourself, you should find out from your local 
admin who did, and ask them.

Duncan Murdoch
1 day later
Loren Engrav
# 
Thank you

As per advice from several R users I have set

r-project.org, stat.math.ethz.ch,fhcrc.org, stat.ethz.ch, math.ethz.ch,
hypatia.math.ethz.ch

 all to be "safe domains"

But still some R emails go to Junk and require to be found manually

I have explored the issue with Univ Wash computing to no avail

Is this just how it is or have I still missed the "fix" to keep R emails out
of junk?

Thank you

Loren Engrav
Univ Wash
Seattle
David Hewitt
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Loren Engrav wrote:
I suspect most people that stay on this list read most posts through a news
reader... you might consider doing the same. I can't even imagine keeping up
with the daily deluge of individual emails.

http://www.nabble.com/R-help-f13820.html

http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.r.general


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David Hewitt
Virginia Institute of Marine Science
http://www.vims.edu/fish/students/dhewitt/
Loren Engrav
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As for news readers
I found R and R.mac and R.Bio on the sites you recommend, thank you very
much, they would avoid the individual emails, but then I would have to go
look at them, which might be Ok

Deluge? Well, there are from R and Bio and R-Mac every morning 30 or 35, and
10-15 more during the daytime, and ~50 deletes is painful

But then every morning one or two are useful so...

Still would be fun to understand why some R are junk and some are not

For example
Today received two emails from the same person, one junk and the other not

The Not Junk then went
from sweep.unicas.it
to phil2.ethz.ch 
to hypatia.math.ethz.ch

The Junk went 
from sweep.unicas.it directly to
to hypatia.math.ethz.ch

Otherwise the same, so why one junk and the other not?

Thank you

Engrav
Univ Washington
Seattle
Henrik Bengtsson
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On 06/12/2007, Loren Engrav <engrav at u.washington.edu> wrote:
This what you want to you email filtering for.  Create a (sub)folder
named "r-help", setup an email filter that sends all message that has
a subject starting with "[R] " to that folder.  That way they will not
clutter up your inbox, but you can still browser the r-help messages.

You haven't told us your email client, but pretty much any client I
know of supports this.  I use gmail as my client and there it is very
simple.  This way reading message is no different from reading them
via a news reader.
FYI, I very very rarely get false positives (from the r-help lists)
and hardly any spam for that sake (thanks!) and I've been on the list
for a long time.  I couldn't find a single one during the last 30 days
in my gmail spam box.

It is impossible to tell why some of your message are falsely
classified as spam without know what your email client is.  Some
clients have there own build in spam filtering that you can train by
pressing "This is spam/This is not spam", whereas others rely on their
email provider to analyze all messages and add a spam score in the
email header and then you can set up the client to filter those out
without much local analysis.  The latter is common at universities.

As already been suggested, it is more likely that this something that
you email provider/sys adm should be able to help you out with.  To me
it sounds unlikely that there is something "wrong" with the R messages
or that R mail server is at fault.

Hope this helps

/Henrik
Duncan Murdoch
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On 07/12/2007 12:26 AM, Henrik Bengtsson wrote:
That test will occasionally misclassify, because some private replies 
might keep the [R] in the subject.  A more reliable test, if you can 
work with the undisplayed message headers, is to look for "r-help" in 
the List-Id: header.

Duncan Murdoch
Patrick Connolly
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On Thu, 06-Dec-2007 at 04:29PM -0800, Loren Engrav wrote:
|> As for news readers
|> I found R and R.mac and R.Bio on the sites you recommend, thank you very
|> much, they would avoid the individual emails, but then I would have to go
|> look at them, which might be Ok
|> 
|> Deluge? Well, there are from R and Bio and R-Mac every morning 30 or 35, and
|> 10-15 more during the daytime, and ~50 deletes is painful
|> 
|> But then every morning one or two are useful so...

I find it absolutely essential to have a client that can display mail
in threads.  Deleting mail a thread at a time is an order of magnitude
more efficient.  Nabble does a fairly good job of showing threads, but
I would prefer to download every message and delete the threads I'm
ignoring.  Even on a good connexion, the delays downloading individual
messages add up.  And gmail is slower still.  Another advantage of
your own client is that you can use a monospaced font which is far
easier for reading code which is bound to happen on a list like this.

Most people I know have the misfortune of not having access to a mail
client that displays threads[1], but for anyone who has control over
such things, in the Windows world, I know Thunderbird is fairly good,
but if you're fortunate enough to be allowed to use Linux, there is
Mutt or you might like Emacs as a mail client which both do threads
very well without the need to use a mouse -- which I consider a huge
bonus.

[....]


|> 
|> Still would be fun to understand why some R are junk and some are not

As several have said, it's to do with your mail client and/or how mail
and spam filters are set up on your domain.  Nothing to do with this
list.

1. Read "misfortune of having to use Outlook or even Outlook Express"


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Loren Engrav
# 
Well thank you all, this is solved

Safe domains do not work for lists
News reader solves the problem but at the cost of needing to "go and look"
Univ Wash Computing and Communications was no help

And all you all said "make a filter"
But I could not find custom filters in Mac Entourage

But it was staring me in the face, called Mailing List Manager

Give this Mailing List Manager an list address and voila, no junk from that
mailing list, all goes in the in box

Thank you so much

Loren Engrav
Univ Wash
Seattle
1 day later
Bos, Roger
# 
Ok, outlook may not be that great, but even in outlook you can create a
separate folder called "R" and create a rule so all email with "[R]" or
"[Rdevel]" etc. going into the R folder.  That way you can easily scan
your R mail separate from your regular mail and then delete everything
you don't need.  That's what I do on my work PC.


-----Original Message-----
From: r-help-bounces at r-project.org [mailto:r-help-bounces at r-project.org]
On Behalf Of Patrick Connolly
Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 4:08 AM
To: Loren Engrav
Cc: r-help at r-project.org
Subject: Re: [R] Junk or not Junk ???
On Thu, 06-Dec-2007 at 04:29PM -0800, Loren Engrav wrote:
|> As for news readers
|> I found R and R.mac and R.Bio on the sites you recommend, thank you 
|> very much, they would avoid the individual emails, but then I would 
|> have to go look at them, which might be Ok
|> 
|> Deluge? Well, there are from R and Bio and R-Mac every morning 30 or 
|> 35, and
|> 10-15 more during the daytime, and ~50 deletes is painful
|> 
|> But then every morning one or two are useful so...

I find it absolutely essential to have a client that can display mail in
threads.  Deleting mail a thread at a time is an order of magnitude more
efficient.  Nabble does a fairly good job of showing threads, but I
would prefer to download every message and delete the threads I'm
ignoring.  Even on a good connexion, the delays downloading individual
messages add up.  And gmail is slower still.  Another advantage of your
own client is that you can use a monospaced font which is far easier for
reading code which is bound to happen on a list like this.

Most people I know have the misfortune of not having access to a mail
client that displays threads[1], but for anyone who has control over
such things, in the Windows world, I know Thunderbird is fairly good,
but if you're fortunate enough to be allowed to use Linux, there is Mutt
or you might like Emacs as a mail client which both do threads very well
without the need to use a mouse -- which I consider a huge bonus.

[....]


|> 
|> Still would be fun to understand why some R are junk and some are not

As several have said, it's to do with your mail client and/or how mail
and spam filters are set up on your domain.  Nothing to do with this
list.

1. Read "misfortune of having to use Outlook or even Outlook Express"


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