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bootstrapping in regression

7 messages · Thomas Mang, Chuck Cleland, Greg Snow +3 more

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Hi,

Please apologize if my questions sounds somewhat 'stupid' to the trained 
and experienced statisticians of you. Also I am not sure if I used all 
terms correctly, if not then corrections are welcome.

I have asked myself the following question regarding bootstrapping in 
regression:
Say for whatever reason one does not want to take the p-values for 
regression coefficients from the established test statistics 
distributions (t-distr for individual coefficients, F-values for 
whole-model-comparisons), but instead apply a more robust approach by 
bootstrapping.

In the simple linear regression case, one possibility is to randomly 
rearrange the X/Y data pairs, estimate the model and take the 
beta1-coefficient. Do this many many times, and so derive the null 
distribution for beta1. Finally compare beta1 for the observed data 
against this null-distribution.

What I now wonder is how the situation looks like in the multiple 
regression case. Assume there are two predictors, X1 and X2. Is it then 
possible to do the same, but just only rearranging the values of one 
predictor (the one of interest) at a time? Say I want again to test 
beta1. Is it then valid to many times randomly rearrange the X1 data 
(and keeping Y and X2 as observed), fit the model, take the beta1 
coefficient, and finally compare the beta1 of the observed data against 
the distributions of these beta1s ?
For X2, do the same, randomly rearrange X2 all the time while keeping Y 
and X1 as observed etc.
Is this valid ?

Second, if this is valid for the 'normal', fixed-effects only 
regression, is it also valid to derive null distributions for the 
regression coefficients of the fixed effects in a mixed model this way? 
Or does the quite different parameters estimation calculation forbid 
this approach (Forbid in the sense of bogus outcome) ?

Thanks, Thomas
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On 1/29/2009 11:43 AM, Thomas Mang wrote:
Have a look at the following document by John Fox:

http://cran.r-project.org/doc/contrib/Fox-Companion/appendix-bootstrapping.pdf

  
    
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What you are describing is actually a permutation test rather than a bootstrap (related concepts but with a subtle but important difference).

The way to do a permutation test with multiple x's is to fit the reduced model (use all x's other than x1 if you want to test x1) on the original data and store the fitted values and the residuals.

Permute the residuals (randomize their order) and add them back to the fitted values and fit the full model (including x1 this time) to the permuted data set.  Do this a bunch of times and it will give you the sampling distribution for the slope on x1 (or whatever your set of interest is) when the null hypothesis that it is 0 given the other variables in the model is true.

Permuting just x1 only works if x1 is orthogonal to all the other predictors, otherwise the permuting destroys the relationship with the other predictors and does not do the test you want.

Bootstrapping depends on sampling with replacement, not permuting, and is used more for confidence intervals than for tests (the reference by John Fox given to you in another reply can help if that is the approach you want to take).

Hope this helps,
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Greg Snow wrote:
Hi,

Thanks to you and Tom for the correction regarding bootstrapping vs 
permutation, and to Chuck for the cool link. Yes of course I described a 
permutation.

I have a question here: I am not sure if I understand your 'fit the full 
model ... to the permuted data set'. Am I correct to suppose that once 
the residuals of the reduced-model fit have been permuted and added back 
to the fitted values, the values obtained this way (fitted + permuted 
residuals) now constitute the new y-values to which the full model is 
fitted? Is that correct ?
Do you know if this procedure is also valid for a mixed-effects model ?

thanks a lot,
Thomas
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Hi Thomas,

Thomas Mang schrieb:
It is. Look at section 2.2, "Permutation of Residuals under the Reduced 
Model" here:

Anderson, M. J. & Legendre, P. An empirical comparison of permutation 
methods for tests of partial regression coefficients in a linear model. 
Journal of Statistical Computation and Simulation, 1999, 62, 271-303
That's a good question... if you find out anything about this, please 
let me know.

HTH,
Stephan
1 day later
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On Fri, 30 Jan 2009, Stephan Kolassa wrote:

            
There are various kinds of residuals in mixed effects models. But mostly 
they are not what you want.

What you need are the type of residuals used in the section on 
significance tests in Beran and Srivastava:


@article{beran1985bta,
   title={{BOOTSTRAP TESTS AND CONFIDENCE REGIONS FOR FUNCTIONS OF A 
COVARIANCE MATRIX1}},
   author={Beran, R. and Srivastava, M.S.},
   journal={The Annals of Statistics},
   volume={13},
   number={1},
   pages={95--115},
   year={1985}
}

HTH,

Chuck
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On Jan 31, 2009, at 1:27 PM, Charles C. Berry wrote:

            
Thank you, Chuck. A search brings up a link to an open access version  
through Project Euclid:

<http://projecteuclid.org/DPubS/Repository/1.0/Disseminate?view=body&id=pdf_1&handle=euclid.aos/1176346579 
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