----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark M. Span" <span at psy.uva.nl> To: "Peter Dalgaard BSA" <p.dalgaard at biostat.ku.dk> Sent: Monday, January 29, 2001 9:42 AM Subject: Re: [R] observed power
Also to me, power is more an a priori concept, best estimated before collecting the data. And a priori power analyses are definitely the best
way
to control beta error probabilities. However, sometimes it may be
impossible
to control the sample size, for example, when re-analyzing data sets that have been collected by others, or even comparing between analysis within
one
experiment. In a case like this post hoc power analyses can make sense. You magically 'feld' that I referred to the SPSS output of a ANOVA, as I did. The manual of SPSS describes this as: - Select Observed power to obtain the power of the test when the
alternative
hypothesis is set based on the observed value. which is very non-informative to me. The reason I wanted to compute this 'observed power' is to get an
indication
weather my (non-significant) interaction is caused by the absence of an effect (observed power = 'quite high') or because I have too little
subjects
to identify any effect. Of course I can always make an SPSS sidestep to calculate this, and my
first
mail should not be interpreted as a critique to aov output nor as a
mission
statement that an index for 'observed power' should be included in R. I
was
just wondering if something *like* this is available. As for Peter Dalgaard's second mail: I am getting more and more convinced that SPSS indeed 'plugs in' the sampling estimates into the power
function.
From: "Peter Dalgaard BSA" <p.dalgaard at biostat.ku.dk>
"Mark M. Span" <span at psy.uva.nl> writes:
Is there a way to obtain the observed power of an aov()? I perform an aov with one between and one within factor, and would
like
to
know the observed power of the tests, both for the main effect and the interaction. I found the package 'hpower', but sense there is a more convenient possibility. Is there? thanks Mark M. Span
What's "observed power"? If you mean the item that SPSS has by that name, I think you first have to convince us that that is a sensible thing to calculate... -- O__ ---- Peter Dalgaard Blegdamsvej 3 c/ /'_ --- Dept. of Biostatistics 2200 Cph. N (*) \(*) -- University of Copenhagen Denmark Ph: (+45) 35327918 ~~~~~~~~~~ - (p.dalgaard at biostat.ku.dk) FAX: (+45) 35327907
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