Hello all,
Let say I have 2-way contingency table:
Tab <- matrix(c(8, 10, 12, 6), nr = 2)
and the Chi-squared test could not reject the independence:
> chisq.test(Tab)
Pearson's Chi-squared test with Yates' continuity correction
data: Tab
X-squared = 1.0125, df = 1, p-value = 0.3143
However I want to get all possible contingency tables under this
independence scenario (one of them would obviously be the given table
as, we could not reject the independence), and for each such table I
want to calculate the Ch-sq statistic.
Can somebody help me how to generate all such tables?
Thanks and regards,
Getting all possible contingency tables
13 messages · John Kane, Bert Gunter, Ben Bolker +4 more
Are you basically asking for all possible permutations of the table? If so see ?permn in the combinat package. John Kane Kingston ON Canada
-----Original Message----- From: bogaso.christofer at gmail.com Sent: Sat, 01 Dec 2012 18:10:15 +0545 To: r-help at r-project.org Subject: [R] Getting all possible contingency tables Hello all, Let say I have 2-way contingency table: Tab <- matrix(c(8, 10, 12, 6), nr = 2) and the Chi-squared test could not reject the independence:
> chisq.test(Tab)
Pearson's Chi-squared test with Yates' continuity correction
data: Tab
X-squared = 1.0125, df = 1, p-value = 0.3143
However I want to get all possible contingency tables under this
independence scenario (one of them would obviously be the given table
as, we could not reject the independence), and for each such table I
want to calculate the Ch-sq statistic.
Can somebody help me how to generate all such tables?
Thanks and regards,
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Thanks John for your reply. However still not clear how I should proceed. My goal is to generate all possible contingency tables. Basically I want to see the distribution of Chi-squared Statistic under independence (NULL). So I was thinking if I can generate all possible permutation of integer numbers having sum equal to (8 + 10 + 12 + 6) = 36. Is there any R function to do that? Thanks and regards,
On 01-12-2012 18:39, John Kane wrote:
Are you basically asking for all possible permutations of the table? If so see ?permn in the combinat package. John Kane Kingston ON Canada
-----Original Message----- From: bogaso.christofer at gmail.com Sent: Sat, 01 Dec 2012 18:10:15 +0545 To: r-help at r-project.org Subject: [R] Getting all possible contingency tables Hello all, Let say I have 2-way contingency table: Tab <- matrix(c(8, 10, 12, 6), nr = 2) and the Chi-squared test could not reject the independence:
> chisq.test(Tab)
Pearson's Chi-squared test with Yates' continuity correction
data: Tab
X-squared = 1.0125, df = 1, p-value = 0.3143
However I want to get all possible contingency tables under this
independence scenario (one of them would obviously be the given table
as, we could not reject the independence), and for each such table I
want to calculate the Ch-sq statistic.
Can somebody help me how to generate all such tables?
Thanks and regards,
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R can usually do almost anything but if the function exists I am not aware of it. Sorry. I did misunderstand what you were doing. John Kane Kingston ON Canada
-----Original Message----- From: bogaso.christofer at gmail.com Sent: Sat, 01 Dec 2012 19:33:09 +0545 To: jrkrideau at inbox.com Subject: Re: [R] Getting all possible contingency tables Thanks John for your reply. However still not clear how I should proceed. My goal is to generate all possible contingency tables. Basically I want to see the distribution of Chi-squared Statistic under independence (NULL). So I was thinking if I can generate all possible permutation of integer numbers having sum equal to (8 + 10 + 12 + 6) = 36. Is there any R function to do that? Thanks and regards, On 01-12-2012 18:39, John Kane wrote:
Are you basically asking for all possible permutations of the table? If so see ?permn in the combinat package. John Kane Kingston ON Canada
-----Original Message----- From: bogaso.christofer at gmail.com Sent: Sat, 01 Dec 2012 18:10:15 +0545 To: r-help at r-project.org Subject: [R] Getting all possible contingency tables Hello all, Let say I have 2-way contingency table: Tab <- matrix(c(8, 10, 12, 6), nr = 2) and the Chi-squared test could not reject the independence:
> chisq.test(Tab)
Pearson's Chi-squared test with Yates' continuity correction
data: Tab
X-squared = 1.0125, df = 1, p-value = 0.3143
However I want to get all possible contingency tables under this
independence scenario (one of them would obviously be the given table
as, we could not reject the independence), and for each such table I
want to calculate the Ch-sq statistic.
Can somebody help me how to generate all such tables?
Thanks and regards,
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Thanks Bert for your reply. I am trying to understand/visualize the Sample Chi-Squared Statistic's Null distribution. Therefore I need all possible Contingency tables under Independence case. What could be better way to visualize that? Thanks and regards,
On 01 December 2012 20:03:00, Bert Gunter wrote:
Christopher:
Don't do this!
If I understand you correctly, you want FIsher's exact test. This is
already available in R, using far smarter algorithms then you would. See:
?fisher.test
-- Bert
On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 5:48 AM, Christofer Bogaso
<bogaso.christofer at gmail.com <mailto:bogaso.christofer at gmail.com>> wrote:
Thanks John for your reply. However still not clear how I should
proceed.
My goal is to generate all possible contingency tables. Basically
I want to see the distribution of Chi-squared Statistic under
independence (NULL).
So I was thinking if I can generate all possible permutation of
integer numbers having sum equal to (8 + 10 + 12 + 6) = 36. Is
there any R function to do that?
Thanks and regards,
On 01-12-2012 18:39, John Kane wrote:
Are you basically asking for all possible permutations of the
table? If so see ?permn in the combinat package.
John Kane
Kingston ON Canada
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From: bogaso.christofer at gmail.com
<mailto:bogaso.christofer at gmail.com>
Sent: Sat, 01 Dec 2012 18:10:15 +0545
To: r-help at r-project.org <mailto:r-help at r-project.org>
Subject: [R] Getting all possible contingency tables
Hello all,
Let say I have 2-way contingency table:
Tab <- matrix(c(8, 10, 12, 6), nr = 2)
and the Chi-squared test could not reject the independence:
> chisq.test(Tab)
Pearson's Chi-squared test with Yates'
continuity correction
data: Tab
X-squared = 1.0125, df = 1, p-value = 0.3143
However I want to get all possible contingency tables
under this
independence scenario (one of them would obviously be the
given table
as, we could not reject the independence), and for each
such table I
want to calculate the Ch-sq statistic.
Can somebody help me how to generate all such tables?
Thanks and regards,
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You will need to be clear about whether you are conditioning on the marginal totals as well as on the overall total. As stated, you are only asking for the overall total (36) to be fixed. In that case, one possible (and by no means unique) approach would be to: [A]: Choose any four "random integers" a,b,c,d that add up to 36 (even there, you still have to make a choice about what distribution to adopt for the "random integers"). [B]: Place the results into the 2x2 matrix; then evaluate chi-squared. [C]: Repeat until you have enough cases. Example (using equiprobable multinomial to generate 4 "random integers") Tab <- matrix(rmultinom(1,36,c(1,1,1,1)/4), nrow=2) A more specific choice would be to fix the row and column probablilties (but not the sample row and column totals), e.g.: P.row1 <- 0.25 ; P.row2 <- 1 - P.row1 P.col1 <- 0.50 ; P.col2 <- 1 - P.col1 Then, adopting the hypothesis of independence between rows and columns: P11 <- P.row1*P.col1 P21 <- P.row2*P.col1 P12 <- P.row1*P.col2 P22 <- P.row2*P.col2 Tab <- matrix(rmultinom(1,36,c(P11,P21,P12,P22)), nrow=2) On the other hand, if you want to also fix the sample row margins and column margins, then your sampled table needs to be generated using a hypergeometric distribution, (which is the basis of the fisher.test mentioned by Bert Gunter). Since explaining how to do this is a bit mjore complicated than the above, please first confirm what constraints (e.g. only total count; row-margins only; col-margins only; both row- & col-margins) you wich to impose. Hoping this helps, Ted.
On 01-Dec-2012 14:28:24 Christofer Bogaso wrote:
Thanks Bert for your reply. I am trying to understand/visualize the Sample Chi-Squared Statistic's Null distribution. Therefore I need all possible Contingency tables under Independence case. What could be better way to visualize that? Thanks and regards, On 01 December 2012 20:03:00, Bert Gunter wrote:
Christopher:
Don't do this!
If I understand you correctly, you want FIsher's exact test. This is
already available in R, using far smarter algorithms then you would. See:
?fisher.test
-- Bert
On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 5:48 AM, Christofer Bogaso
<bogaso.christofer at gmail.com <mailto:bogaso.christofer at gmail.com>> wrote:
Thanks John for your reply. However still not clear how I should
proceed.
My goal is to generate all possible contingency tables. Basically
I want to see the distribution of Chi-squared Statistic under
independence (NULL).
So I was thinking if I can generate all possible permutation of
integer numbers having sum equal to (8 + 10 + 12 + 6) = 36. Is
there any R function to do that?
Thanks and regards,
On 01-12-2012 18:39, John Kane wrote:
Are you basically asking for all possible permutations of the
table? If so see ?permn in the combinat package.
John Kane
Kingston ON Canada
-----Original Message-----
From: bogaso.christofer at gmail.com
<mailto:bogaso.christofer at gmail.com>
Sent: Sat, 01 Dec 2012 18:10:15 +0545
To: r-help at r-project.org <mailto:r-help at r-project.org>
Subject: [R] Getting all possible contingency tables
Hello all,
Let say I have 2-way contingency table:
Tab <- matrix(c(8, 10, 12, 6), nr = 2)
and the Chi-squared test could not reject the independence:
> chisq.test(Tab)
Pearson's Chi-squared test with Yates'
continuity correction
data: Tab
X-squared = 1.0125, df = 1, p-value = 0.3143
However I want to get all possible contingency tables
under this
independence scenario (one of them would obviously be the
given table
as, we could not reject the independence), and for each
such table I
want to calculate the Ch-sq statistic.
Can somebody help me how to generate all such tables?
Thanks and regards,
------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <Ted.Harding at wlandres.net> Date: 01-Dec-2012 Time: 16:00:16 This message was sent by XFMail
My goal is to generate all possible contingency tables. Basically I want to see the distribution of Chi-squared Statistic under independence (NULL). So I was thinking if I can generate all possible permutation of integer numbers having sum equal to (8 + 10 + 12 + 6) = 36. Is there any R function to do that?
I think R *can* do this (thanks to Robin Hankin):
library(partitions)
str(parts(36))
'partition' int [1:36, 1:17977] 36 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 ...
I'm not quite clear on how you're going to take these results
and turn them into possible tables, but I guess you do ...
You might also be interested in the simulate.p.value option to
chisq.test and the randomizer (which preserves row and column
totals): from the code of chisq.test,
tmp <- .Call(C_chisq_sim, sr, sc, B, E)
-----Original Message----- From: bogaso.christofer <at> gmail.com
Let say I have 2-way contingency table: Tab <- matrix(c(8, 10, 12, 6), nr = 2) and the Chi-squared test could not reject the independence:
> chisq.test(Tab)
Pearson's Chi-squared test with Yates' continuity correction
data: Tab
X-squared = 1.0125, df = 1, p-value = 0.3143
However I want to get all possible contingency tables under this
independence scenario (one of them would obviously be the given table
as, we could not reject the independence), and for each such table I
want to calculate the Ch-sq statistic.
Can somebody help me how to generate all such tables?
On Dec 1, 2012, at 7:28 AM, Christofer Bogaso wrote:
Thanks Bert for your reply. I am trying to understand/visualize the Sample Chi-Squared Statistic's Null distribution. Therefore I need all possible Contingency tables under Independence case. What could be better way to visualize that?
In your quest for enlightenment, consider looking at the example in: ?r2dtable
David. > > Thanks and regards, > > On 01 December 2012 20:03:00, Bert Gunter wrote: >> Christopher: >> >> Don't do this! >> >> If I understand you correctly, you want FIsher's exact test. This is >> already available in R, using far smarter algorithms then you >> would. See: >> >> ?fisher.test >> >> -- Bert >> >> On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 5:48 AM, Christofer Bogaso >> <bogaso.christofer at gmail.com <mailto:bogaso.christofer at gmail.com>> >> wrote: >> >> Thanks John for your reply. However still not clear how I should >> proceed. >> >> My goal is to generate all possible contingency tables. Basically >> I want to see the distribution of Chi-squared Statistic under >> independence (NULL). >> >> So I was thinking if I can generate all possible permutation of >> integer numbers having sum equal to (8 + 10 + 12 + 6) = 36. Is >> there any R function to do that? >> >> Thanks and regards, >> >> >> On 01-12-2012 18:39, John Kane wrote: >> >> Are you basically asking for all possible permutations of the >> table? If so see ?permn in the combinat package. >> >> John Kane >> Kingston ON Canada >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: bogaso.christofer at gmail.com >> <mailto:bogaso.christofer at gmail.com> >> Sent: Sat, 01 Dec 2012 18:10:15 +0545 >> To: r-help at r-project.org <mailto:r-help at r-project.org> >> Subject: [R] Getting all possible contingency tables >> >> Hello all, >> >> Let say I have 2-way contingency table: >> >> Tab <- matrix(c(8, 10, 12, 6), nr = 2) >> >> and the Chi-squared test could not reject the >> independence: >> >> > chisq.test(Tab) >> >> Pearson's Chi-squared test with Yates' >> continuity correction >> >> data: Tab >> X-squared = 1.0125, df = 1, p-value = 0.3143 >> >> >> However I want to get all possible contingency tables >> under this >> independence scenario (one of them would obviously be the >> given table >> as, we could not reject the independence), and for each >> such table I >> want to calculate the Ch-sq statistic. >> >> Can somebody help me how to generate all such tables? >> >> Thanks and regards, >> >> David Winsemius, MD Alameda, CA, USA
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Thanks Ted (and other) for your suggestion. Here I have implemented
following:
Tab <- matrix(c(8, 10, 12, 6), nr = 2)
Simu_Number <- 50000
Tab_Simulate <- vector("list", length = Simu_Number)
for (i in 1:Simu_Number) {
Tab_Simulate[[i]] <- matrix(rmultinom(1, sum(Tab), rep(0.25,
4)), nrow = 2) ## All Cells have equal probability
}
Sample_ChiSq <- sapply(Tab_Simulate, function(x) {
Statistic <-
sum((chisq.test(as.table(x))$observed -
chisq.test(as.table(x))$expected)^2/chisq.test(as.table(x))$expected)
return(Statistic)
})
length(Sample_ChiSq[Sample_ChiSq < qchisq(0.95, 1)])/Simu_Number
hist(Sample_ChiSq, freq = FALSE)
lines(dchisq(seq(min(Sample_ChiSq), max(Sample_ChiSq), by = 0.5), 1))
However I think I am making some serious mistake as histogram did not
match the density curve.
Can somebody help me where I am making mistake?
Thanks and regards,
On 01-12-2012 21:45, (Ted Harding) wrote:
You will need to be clear about whether you are conditioning on the marginal totals as well as on the overall total. As stated, you are only asking for the overall total (36) to be fixed. In that case, one possible (and by no means unique) approach would be to: [A]: Choose any four "random integers" a,b,c,d that add up to 36 (even there, you still have to make a choice about what distribution to adopt for the "random integers"). [B]: Place the results into the 2x2 matrix; then evaluate chi-squared. [C]: Repeat until you have enough cases. Example (using equiprobable multinomial to generate 4 "random integers") Tab <- matrix(rmultinom(1,36,c(1,1,1,1)/4), nrow=2) A more specific choice would be to fix the row and column probablilties (but not the sample row and column totals), e.g.: P.row1 <- 0.25 ; P.row2 <- 1 - P.row1 P.col1 <- 0.50 ; P.col2 <- 1 - P.col1 Then, adopting the hypothesis of independence between rows and columns: P11 <- P.row1*P.col1 P21 <- P.row2*P.col1 P12 <- P.row1*P.col2 P22 <- P.row2*P.col2 Tab <- matrix(rmultinom(1,36,c(P11,P21,P12,P22)), nrow=2) On the other hand, if you want to also fix the sample row margins and column margins, then your sampled table needs to be generated using a hypergeometric distribution, (which is the basis of the fisher.test mentioned by Bert Gunter). Since explaining how to do this is a bit mjore complicated than the above, please first confirm what constraints (e.g. only total count; row-margins only; col-margins only; both row- & col-margins) you wich to impose. Hoping this helps, Ted. On 01-Dec-2012 14:28:24 Christofer Bogaso wrote:
Thanks Bert for your reply. I am trying to understand/visualize the Sample Chi-Squared Statistic's Null distribution. Therefore I need all possible Contingency tables under Independence case. What could be better way to visualize that? Thanks and regards, On 01 December 2012 20:03:00, Bert Gunter wrote:
Christopher:
Don't do this!
If I understand you correctly, you want FIsher's exact test. This is
already available in R, using far smarter algorithms then you would. See:
?fisher.test
-- Bert
On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 5:48 AM, Christofer Bogaso
<bogaso.christofer at gmail.com <mailto:bogaso.christofer at gmail.com>> wrote:
Thanks John for your reply. However still not clear how I should
proceed.
My goal is to generate all possible contingency tables. Basically
I want to see the distribution of Chi-squared Statistic under
independence (NULL).
So I was thinking if I can generate all possible permutation of
integer numbers having sum equal to (8 + 10 + 12 + 6) = 36. Is
there any R function to do that?
Thanks and regards,
On 01-12-2012 18:39, John Kane wrote:
Are you basically asking for all possible permutations of the
table? If so see ?permn in the combinat package.
John Kane
Kingston ON Canada
-----Original Message-----
From:bogaso.christofer at gmail.com
<mailto:bogaso.christofer at gmail.com>
Sent: Sat, 01 Dec 2012 18:10:15 +0545
To:r-help at r-project.org <mailto:r-help at r-project.org>
Subject: [R] Getting all possible contingency tables
Hello all,
Let say I have 2-way contingency table:
Tab <- matrix(c(8, 10, 12, 6), nr = 2)
and the Chi-squared test could not reject the independence:
> chisq.test(Tab)
Pearson's Chi-squared test with Yates'
continuity correction
data: Tab
X-squared = 1.0125, df = 1, p-value = 0.3143
However I want to get all possible contingency tables
under this
independence scenario (one of them would obviously be the
given table
as, we could not reject the independence), and for each
such table I
want to calculate the Ch-sq statistic.
Can somebody help me how to generate all such tables?
Thanks and regards,
------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: (Ted Harding)<Ted.Harding at wlandres.net> Date: 01-Dec-2012 Time: 16:00:16 This message was sent by XFMail -------------------------------------------------
On 02-Dec-2012 14:17:20 Christofer Bogaso wrote:
Thanks Ted (and other) for your suggestion. Here I have implemented
following:
Tab <- matrix(c(8, 10, 12, 6), nr = 2)
Simu_Number <- 50000
Tab_Simulate <- vector("list", length = Simu_Number)
for (i in 1:Simu_Number) {
Tab_Simulate[[i]] <- matrix(rmultinom(1, sum(Tab), rep(0.25,
4)), nrow = 2) ## All Cells have equal probability
}
Sample_ChiSq <- sapply(Tab_Simulate, function(x) {
Statistic <-
sum((chisq.test(as.table(x))$observed -
chisq.test(as.table(x))$expected)^2/chisq.test(as.table(x))$expected)
return(Statistic)
})
length(Sample_ChiSq[Sample_ChiSq < qchisq(0.95, 1)])/Simu_Number
hist(Sample_ChiSq, freq = FALSE)
lines(dchisq(seq(min(Sample_ChiSq), max(Sample_ChiSq), by = 0.5), 1))
However I think I am making some serious mistake as histogram did not
match the density curve.
Can somebody help me where I am making mistake?
Thanks and regards,
[the remainder (copies of previous posts) snipped]
The reasons for the mis-match are: A: that you have put the curve in the wrong place, by not supplying x-coordinates to lines(), so that it plots its points at x = 1,2,3,4,... B: that you need to multiply the plotted density by the width of the histogram cells, so as to match the density curve to the discrete density of the histogram. It will also then look better when the chis-squared curve is plotted at the mid-points of the cells. Hence, try something like: hist(Sample_ChiSq, freq = FALSE, breaks=0.5*(0:40)) x0 <- 0.25+0.5*(0:20) lines(x0,dchisq(x0,1)) Hoping this helps, Ted. ------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <Ted.Harding at wlandres.net> Date: 02-Dec-2012 Time: 15:02:45 This message was sent by XFMail
Thanks Ted for your correction. I was depressed thinking that I did not understand the theory. However now it comes as just a plotting mistake! Thanks,
On 02 December 2012 20:47:48, (Ted Harding) wrote:
On 02-Dec-2012 14:17:20 Christofer Bogaso wrote:
Thanks Ted (and other) for your suggestion. Here I have implemented
following:
Tab <- matrix(c(8, 10, 12, 6), nr = 2)
Simu_Number <- 50000
Tab_Simulate <- vector("list", length = Simu_Number)
for (i in 1:Simu_Number) {
Tab_Simulate[[i]] <- matrix(rmultinom(1, sum(Tab), rep(0.25,
4)), nrow = 2) ## All Cells have equal probability
}
Sample_ChiSq <- sapply(Tab_Simulate, function(x) {
Statistic <-
sum((chisq.test(as.table(x))$observed -
chisq.test(as.table(x))$expected)^2/chisq.test(as.table(x))$expected)
return(Statistic)
})
length(Sample_ChiSq[Sample_ChiSq < qchisq(0.95, 1)])/Simu_Number
hist(Sample_ChiSq, freq = FALSE)
lines(dchisq(seq(min(Sample_ChiSq), max(Sample_ChiSq), by = 0.5), 1))
However I think I am making some serious mistake as histogram did not
match the density curve.
Can somebody help me where I am making mistake?
Thanks and regards,
[the remainder (copies of previous posts) snipped]
The reasons for the mis-match are: A: that you have put the curve in the wrong place, by not supplying x-coordinates to lines(), so that it plots its points at x = 1,2,3,4,... B: that you need to multiply the plotted density by the width of the histogram cells, so as to match the density curve to the discrete density of the histogram. It will also then look better when the chis-squared curve is plotted at the mid-points of the cells. Hence, try something like: hist(Sample_ChiSq, freq = FALSE, breaks=0.5*(0:40)) x0 <- 0.25+0.5*(0:20) lines(x0,dchisq(x0,1)) Hoping this helps, Ted. ------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <Ted.Harding at wlandres.net> Date: 02-Dec-2012 Time: 15:02:45 This message was sent by XFMail -------------------------------------------------