Latex and R are really cool stuff. I am just wondering how they are used in industry. But based on my own experience, very rare. Why? How about the opinion of other listers? Thanks.
off-topic question: Latex and R in industries
9 messages · Wensui Liu, Roger Koenker, A.J. Rossini +5 more
my favorite answer to this question is "because there is no one to sue." url: www.econ.uiuc.edu/~roger Roger Koenker email rkoenker at uiuc.edu Department of Economics vox: 217-333-4558 University of Illinois fax: 217-244-6678 Champaign, IL 61820
On Apr 6, 2005, at 10:38 AM, Wensui Liu wrote:
Latex and R are really cool stuff. I am just wondering how they are used in industry. But based on my own experience, very rare. Why? How about the opinion of other listers? Thanks.
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Ha -- that's a good one, Roger. Which demonstrates that most industrial people don't bother to read EULA's :-). (of course, it depends on which industry, and for some industries, which segment you are in ).
On Apr 6, 2005 6:05 PM, roger koenker <rkoenker at uiuc.edu> wrote:
my favorite answer to this question is "because there is no one to sue." url: www.econ.uiuc.edu/~roger Roger Koenker email rkoenker at uiuc.edu Department of Economics vox: 217-333-4558 University of Illinois fax: 217-244-6678 Champaign, IL 61820 On Apr 6, 2005, at 10:38 AM, Wensui Liu wrote:
Latex and R are really cool stuff. I am just wondering how they are used in industry. But based on my own experience, very rare. Why? How about the opinion of other listers? Thanks.
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best, -tony "Commit early,commit often, and commit in a repository from which we can easily roll-back your mistakes" (AJR, 4Jan05). A.J. Rossini blindglobe at gmail.com
On Wed, 2005-04-06 at 11:38 -0400, Wensui Liu wrote:
Latex and R are really cool stuff. I am just wondering how they are used in industry. But based on my own experience, very rare. Why? How about the opinion of other listers? Thanks.
As Tony has referenced, the answer will depend upon what industry you are referring to. There is an article in R News (2004 Vol 4 Number 1) that you might find of interest entitled "The Decision to Use R" from a small medical consulting business perspective: http://cran.r-project.org/doc/Rnews/Rnews_2004-1.pdf There is a persistent rumor of a similar article from a large corporate medical industry environment that is due "real soon now"... ;-) You might also want to search the r-help archives as there have been some fairly "lively" discussions on this in the recent past, especially in healthcare applications when a certain other Statistical Analysis System is referenced as being the perceived standard... HTH, Marc
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fortune("Schwartz")
I use R. My company benefits from it. My clients benefit from it.
...and I sleep just fine (when I do sleep)... :-)
-- Marc Schwartz, Medanalytics (about the `costs' of free software)
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We have S+ at our company, but I choose to use R because I like it. There are two observations I have. One is that many people in IT don't seem to like open source software that much because either they don't trust it or they say there is no one who stands behind it. Second, equally important point, is that there is no R salesforce marking the product to companies. Commercial products have marketing budgets and aggresive salespeople who contact potential purchasers. Insightful will come in and give a company presentation. Who wants to volunteer to come into my company and demo R for my manager? I only learned about R a year ago when a friend of mine told me about it. The real question is, how to get more exposuRe? Thanks, Roger
On Apr 6, 2005 2:09 PM, Marc Schwartz <MSchwartz at medanalytics.com> wrote:
On Wed, 2005-04-06 at 11:38 -0400, Wensui Liu wrote:
Latex and R are really cool stuff. I am just wondering how they are used in industry. But based on my own experience, very rare. Why? How about the opinion of other listers? Thanks.
As Tony has referenced, the answer will depend upon what industry you are referring to. There is an article in R News (2004 Vol 4 Number 1) that you might find of interest entitled "The Decision to Use R" from a small medical consulting business perspective: http://cran.r-project.org/doc/Rnews/Rnews_2004-1.pdf There is a persistent rumor of a similar article from a large corporate medical industry environment that is due "real soon now"... ;-) You might also want to search the r-help archives as there have been some fairly "lively" discussions on this in the recent past, especially in healthcare applications when a certain other Statistical Analysis System is referenced as being the perceived standard... HTH, Marc
library(fortunes)
fortune("Schwartz")
I use R. My company benefits from it. My clients benefit from it.
...and I sleep just fine (when I do sleep)... :-)
-- Marc Schwartz, Medanalytics (about the `costs' of free software)
R-help (June 2004)
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Thank you all for the replies. I've used R and latex in graduate school and absolultely love them. After getting in the industry, everyone is using MS products or SPSS/SAS. But in term of quality, there is no comparison between MS word and Latex or between SAS/SPSS and R.
On Apr 6, 2005 2:35 PM, roger bos <roger.bos at gmail.com> wrote:
We have S+ at our company, but I choose to use R because I like it. There are two observations I have. One is that many people in IT don't seem to like open source software that much because either they don't trust it or they say there is no one who stands behind it. Second, equally important point, is that there is no R salesforce marking the product to companies. Commercial products have marketing budgets and aggresive salespeople who contact potential purchasers. Insightful will come in and give a company presentation. Who wants to volunteer to come into my company and demo R for my manager? I only learned about R a year ago when a friend of mine told me about it. The real question is, how to get more exposuRe? Thanks, Roger On Apr 6, 2005 2:09 PM, Marc Schwartz <MSchwartz at medanalytics.com> wrote:
On Wed, 2005-04-06 at 11:38 -0400, Wensui Liu wrote:
Latex and R are really cool stuff. I am just wondering how they are used in industry. But based on my own experience, very rare. Why? How about the opinion of other listers? Thanks.
As Tony has referenced, the answer will depend upon what industry you are referring to. There is an article in R News (2004 Vol 4 Number 1) that you might find of interest entitled "The Decision to Use R" from a small medical consulting business perspective: http://cran.r-project.org/doc/Rnews/Rnews_2004-1.pdf There is a persistent rumor of a similar article from a large corporate medical industry environment that is due "real soon now"... ;-) You might also want to search the r-help archives as there have been some fairly "lively" discussions on this in the recent past, especially in healthcare applications when a certain other Statistical Analysis System is referenced as being the perceived standard... HTH, Marc
library(fortunes)
fortune("Schwartz")
I use R. My company benefits from it. My clients benefit from it.
...and I sleep just fine (when I do sleep)... :-)
-- Marc Schwartz, Medanalytics (about the `costs' of free software)
R-help (June 2004)
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WenSui Liu, MS MA Senior Decision Support Analyst Division of Health Policy and Clinical Effectiveness Cincinnati Children Hospital Medical Center
On Wed, 6 Apr 2005, roger bos wrote:
Insightful will come in and give a company presentation. Who wants to volunteer to come into my company and demo R for my manager? I only learned about R a year ago when a friend of mine told me about it. The real question is, how to get more exposuRe?
The other real question is "Why?". I can see the motivation of people who want to use R and need to convince their management that it is safe, but inflicting R on people who haven't heard of it and are perfectly happy that way seems unnecessary. What would be the benefit? -thomas
On Wed, Apr 06, 2005 at 11:56:59AM -0700, Thomas Lumley wrote:
On Wed, 6 Apr 2005, roger bos wrote:
Insightful will come in and give a company presentation. Who wants to volunteer to come into my company and demo R for my manager? I only learned about R a year ago when a friend of mine told me about it. The real question is, how to get more exposuRe?
The other real question is "Why?". I can see the motivation of people who want to use R and need to convince their management that it is safe, but inflicting R on people who haven't heard of it and are perfectly happy that way seems unnecessary. What would be the benefit?
Of course, it follows from the assumption of perfect happiness without R that there's no point in forcibly selling R to them. I suspect that the salesforces behind commercial software are not exclusively driven by such reason, however... Best regards, Jan
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Thomas Lumley wrote:
The other real question is "Why?". I can see the motivation of people who want to use R and need to convince their management that it is safe, but inflicting R on people who haven't heard of it and are perfectly happy that way seems unnecessary. What would be the benefit?
Actually, I see it as part of my job to inflict R on people who are perfectly happy to have never heard of it. Happiness doesn't equal proficient and efficient. In some cases the proficiency of a person serves a greater good than their momentary happiness. Patrick Burns Burns Statistics patrick at burns-stat.com +44 (0)20 8525 0696 http://www.burns-stat.com (home of S Poetry and "A Guide for the Unwilling S User")
-thomas
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