plot.xmean.ordinaly vs plot() in package "rms"

Please keep the mailing list included in the thread.

I can't tell if you do understand and are just being sloppy, or if you are
completely confused, because xmean.ordinaly() and plot.xmean.ordinaly() are
two completely different symbols in R.

As for being "safe"... you may choose to be specific or not, but plot and
plot.xmean.ordinaly are both equally "safe" to call, and being too specific
can cause problems sometimes as well.

On March 17, 2019 6:40:10 AM PDT, Kim Jacobsen <kimsjacobsen at gmail.com>
wrote:

Dear Jeff,

Thank you so much! So if I understand the S3 object documents
correctly,
the xmean.ordinaly() command and plot() command are interchangeable as
long
as x is an object x of class "xmean.ordinaly"? So would I be right to
think
that I might as well just xmean.ordinaly() to be safe?

Many thanks,



On Sun, 17 Mar 2019 at 02:08, Jeff Newmiller <jdnewmil at dcn.davis.ca.us>
wrote:

Read up on S3 object orientation[1]. If you have an object x of class
"xmean.ordinaly" then writing

plot(x)

will end up invoking the plot.xmean.ordinaly function rather than the
plot.default function in base graphics. This is broadly true

throughout R.

[1] http://adv-r.had.co.nz/S3.html

On March 16, 2019 11:03:06 AM PDT, Kim Jacobsen

<kimsjacobsen at gmail.com>

wrote:

Would anyone be able to explain what the difference is between
plot.xmean.ordinaly and plot() in the "rms" package? (for the

purposes

of
testing the proportional odds assumption in ordinal models). In the
package
document (https://cran.r-project.org/web/packages/rms/rms.pdf) they
seem
both to be used interchangeably.

Thank you!

--
Sent from my phone. Please excuse my brevity.

--
Sent from my phone. Please excuse my brevity.

Mailing list now included (apologies, first time I post anything so not
quite sure how it works).

You are quite right, it was a typo. I meant to write that
plot.xmean.ordinaly(). So please let me correct my last statement: the
plot.xmean.ordinaly() command and plot() command are interchangeable as
long as x is an object x of class "xmean.ordinaly", and
plot.xmean.ordinaly() is best used if the object is not of class
"xmean.ordinaly" or if you are unsure what class it it. Is this a
correct
encapsulation?


On Sun, 17 Mar 2019 at 14:38, Jeff Newmiller <jdnewmil at dcn.davis.ca.us>
wrote:

Please keep the mailing list included in the thread.

I can't tell if you do understand and are just being sloppy, or if

you are

completely confused, because xmean.ordinaly() and

plot.xmean.ordinaly() are

two completely different symbols in R.

As for being "safe"... you may choose to be specific or not, but plot

and

plot.xmean.ordinaly are both equally "safe" to call, and being too

specific

can cause problems sometimes as well.

On March 17, 2019 6:40:10 AM PDT, Kim Jacobsen

<kimsjacobsen at gmail.com>

wrote:

Dear Jeff,

Thank you so much! So if I understand the S3 object documents
correctly,
the xmean.ordinaly() command and plot() command are interchangeable

as

long
as x is an object x of class "xmean.ordinaly"? So would I be right

to

think
that I might as well just xmean.ordinaly() to be safe?

Many thanks,



On Sun, 17 Mar 2019 at 02:08, Jeff Newmiller

<jdnewmil at dcn.davis.ca.us>

wrote:

Read up on S3 object orientation[1]. If you have an object x of

class

"xmean.ordinaly" then writing

plot(x)

will end up invoking the plot.xmean.ordinaly function rather than

the

plot.default function in base graphics. This is broadly true

throughout R.

[1] http://adv-r.had.co.nz/S3.html

On March 16, 2019 11:03:06 AM PDT, Kim Jacobsen

<kimsjacobsen at gmail.com>

wrote:

Would anyone be able to explain what the difference is between
plot.xmean.ordinaly and plot() in the "rms" package? (for the

purposes

of
testing the proportional odds assumption in ordinal models). In

the

package
document (https://cran.r-project.org/web/packages/rms/rms.pdf)

they

seem
both to be used interchangeably.

Thank you!

--
Sent from my phone. Please excuse my brevity.

--
Sent from my phone. Please excuse my brevity.

Mailing list now included (apologies, first time I post anything so not
quite sure how it works).

You are quite right, it was a typo. I meant to write that
plot.xmean.ordinaly(). So please let me correct my last statement: the
plot.xmean.ordinaly() command and plot() command are interchangeable as
long as x is an object x of class "xmean.ordinaly", and
plot.xmean.ordinaly() is best used if the object is not of class
"xmean.ordinaly" or if you are unsure what class it it. Is this a correct
encapsulation?


On Sun, 17 Mar 2019 at 14:38, Jeff Newmiller <jdnewmil at dcn.davis.ca.us>
wrote:

Please keep the mailing list included in the thread.

I can't tell if you do understand and are just being sloppy, or if you

are

completely confused, because xmean.ordinaly() and plot.xmean.ordinaly()

are

two completely different symbols in R.

As for being "safe"... you may choose to be specific or not, but plot and
plot.xmean.ordinaly are both equally "safe" to call, and being too

specific

can cause problems sometimes as well.

On March 17, 2019 6:40:10 AM PDT, Kim Jacobsen <kimsjacobsen at gmail.com>
wrote:

Dear Jeff,

Thank you so much! So if I understand the S3 object documents
correctly,
the xmean.ordinaly() command and plot() command are interchangeable as
long
as x is an object x of class "xmean.ordinaly"? So would I be right to
think
that I might as well just xmean.ordinaly() to be safe?

Many thanks,



On Sun, 17 Mar 2019 at 02:08, Jeff Newmiller <jdnewmil at dcn.davis.ca.us>
wrote:

Read up on S3 object orientation[1]. If you have an object x of class
"xmean.ordinaly" then writing

plot(x)

will end up invoking the plot.xmean.ordinaly function rather than the
plot.default function in base graphics. This is broadly true

throughout R.

[1] http://adv-r.had.co.nz/S3.html

On March 16, 2019 11:03:06 AM PDT, Kim Jacobsen

<kimsjacobsen at gmail.com>

wrote:

Would anyone be able to explain what the difference is between
plot.xmean.ordinaly and plot() in the "rms" package? (for the

purposes

of
testing the proportional odds assumption in ordinal models). In the
package
document (https://cran.r-project.org/web/packages/rms/rms.pdf) they
seem
both to be used interchangeably.

Thank you!

--
Sent from my phone. Please excuse my brevity.

--
Sent from my phone. Please excuse my brevity.

--
Kim Solve Jacobsen
PhD candidate, Wildlife Conservation Research Unit
University of Oxford
Recanati-Kaplan Centre
OX13 5QL Oxford, UK

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Mailing list now included (apologies, first time I post anything so not
quite sure how it works).

You are quite right, it was a typo. I meant to write that
plot.xmean.ordinaly(). So please let me correct my last statement: the
plot.xmean.ordinaly() command and plot() command are interchangeable as
long as x is an object x of class "xmean.ordinaly", and
plot.xmean.ordinaly() is best used if the object is not of class
"xmean.ordinaly" or if you are unsure what class it it. Is this a correct
encapsulation?

On Sun, 17 Mar 2019 at 14:38, Jeff Newmiller <jdnewmil at dcn.davis.ca.us>
wrote:

Please keep the mailing list included in the thread.

I can't tell if you do understand and are just being sloppy, or if you are
completely confused, because xmean.ordinaly() and plot.xmean.ordinaly() are
two completely different symbols in R.

As for being "safe"... you may choose to be specific or not, but plot and
plot.xmean.ordinaly are both equally "safe" to call, and being too specific
can cause problems sometimes as well.

On March 17, 2019 6:40:10 AM PDT, Kim Jacobsen <kimsjacobsen at gmail.com>
wrote:

Dear Jeff,

Thank you so much! So if I understand the S3 object documents
correctly,
the xmean.ordinaly() command and plot() command are interchangeable as
long
as x is an object x of class "xmean.ordinaly"? So would I be right to
think
that I might as well just xmean.ordinaly() to be safe?

Many thanks,



On Sun, 17 Mar 2019 at 02:08, Jeff Newmiller <jdnewmil at dcn.davis.ca.us>
wrote:

Read up on S3 object orientation[1]. If you have an object x of class
"xmean.ordinaly" then writing

plot(x)

will end up invoking the plot.xmean.ordinaly function rather than the
plot.default function in base graphics. This is broadly true

throughout R.

[1] http://adv-r.had.co.nz/S3.html

On March 16, 2019 11:03:06 AM PDT, Kim Jacobsen

<kimsjacobsen at gmail.com>

wrote:

Would anyone be able to explain what the difference is between
plot.xmean.ordinaly and plot() in the "rms" package? (for the

purposes

of
testing the proportional odds assumption in ordinal models). In the
package
document (https://cran.r-project.org/web/packages/rms/rms.pdf) they
seem
both to be used interchangeably.

Thank you!

--
Sent from my phone. Please excuse my brevity.

--
Sent from my phone. Please excuse my brevity.