[R-pkg-devel] CRAN student assistants
Joris, I have no dog in this fight, but I think you should cool down a bit. Hadley explained why he thought these people were students: it?s the adjective studentische in the job description. I don?t think he meant, or implied, any disrespect to the individuals concerned. He is entitled to ask in public about CRAN?s process, which is of concern to everybody who deals with CRAN. Lastly, accusations of ?gaslighting? are over the top, and adding heat to this debate. If you think it?s wrong to record correspondence with CRAN in public, you may have a point ? that is a separate topic. I would lean that CRAN responses ought not to be considered confidential, but perhaps identifying information should be shared with care. These are quite subtle issues, so again, thoughtful discussion would be great. David
On Thu, 16 May 2019 at 18:41, Joris Meys <Joris.Meys at ugent.be> wrote:
On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 4:59 PM Hadley Wickham <h.wickham at gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all, I am most interested in understanding what level of discretion CRAN's "Studentischer administrativer Mitarbeiter" have to critique the implementation of R packages
Ing. is the german title for "Engineer". You made her name public in the repositories of your own organisation. So at least have the decency to google her before you question her competence in public. Your obvious lack of understanding about the Austrian education system is no excuse for questioning her competence.
I mean no disrespect towards the CRAN maintainers
The respectful thing to do, is to discuss this IN PRIVATE with Dr. Ligges at the next R foundation in case you really need to know. The unrespectful thing to do, is to gaslight on a public mailing list to the point you make others, like Alejandro, question the competence of CRAN maintainers.
I do recognise that my question "Who are they?" may have been perceived as overly intrusive.
The word is "bewildering", as you know their names, and your organisation shared personally identifying information (i.e. her email address which includes the institute she WORKS for) on their github repo.
To clarify: I don't want to know names or other personally identifying information, but I would like to know in general terms how many there are, and what backgrounds they have.
That's again something you can ask Dr. Ligges IN PRIVATE at the next R foundation meeting, and not a subject for an open mailing list. And after this exchange, I would totally understand if he refuses to answer that.
Similarly, I don't want to know how much they are paid, just whether or not they are volunteers or employees.
The budgetary arrangements between a university and their _employee_ are of no concern to the mailing list. Asking about such arrangements for an employee that's not yours, is considered highly impolite in Europe. RStudio has been very vocal on numerous occasions about standards they hold. I would appreciate if the chief scientist of RStudio abides by those standards. Thank you. -- Joris Meys Statistical consultant Department of Data Analysis and Mathematical Modelling Ghent University Coupure Links 653, B-9000 Gent (Belgium) < https://maps.google.com/?q=Coupure+links+653,%C2%A0B-9000+Gent,%C2%A0Belgium&entry=gmail&source=g
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