Why is rstudio not in Ubuntu repo or PPA? - R-SIG-Debian

Xu Wang

Wed, Aug 1, 2018 1:36 PM #

Dear All,

I try not to bump too much, but I just tried Ubuntu 18.04, and it is
not in repo and I still do not see any PPA available. If it would
help, I can spend the time to explain why I believe it helpful to
install using a command rather than webbrowser, but I think this is
already understood why helpful, but it seems there is just a technical
tricky problem to solve to implementation.

Thank you so much for all of your works. I'm sorry to insist on this
issue. Let me know if there is something I can help for testing.

Kind regards,

Xu

On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 2:23 AM, Xu Wang <xuwang762 at gmail.com> wrote:

OK thank you for your reply! It is too bad the environment is not
right yet in Ubuntu, but I will keep hoping that things work out.

Thank you for all of your work!

Kind regards,

Xu

On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 8:02 PM, JJ Allaire <jj at rstudio.com> wrote:

We still haven't gone to Qt 5.6 unfortunately. They've deprecated QtWebKit
(which is part of the Qt 5.4 release which we are on now) so that's not a
good place to be long term.

Qt 5.6 includes the Chromium based QWebView and is also an LTS Qt release so
it's definitely the right platform to be on. We have a very small team
though and many other priorities, bug fixes, etc. tend to intrude.

J.J.



On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 7:53 PM, Xu Wang <xuwang762 at gmail.com> wrote:

On Sat, Feb 13, 2016 at 1:48 PM, Xu Wang <xuwang762 at gmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:06 AM, JJ Allaire <jj at rstudio.com> wrote:

Not yet. We need to migrate to Qt 5.6 then I think it will be pretty
seamless.

I see. Thank you for update and for your kind work, J.J.!

Hi JJ,

Any update? It seems it did not make it into Ubuntu 16.04. But thank
you very much for trying! I really appreciate your effort. Perhaps
there is a chance we can get it into 16.10?

Kind regards,

Xu

Kind regards,

Xu

J.J.

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:58 AM, Xu Wang <xuwang762 at gmail.com> wrote:

On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 10:42 AM, JJ Allaire <jj at rstudio.com> wrote:

It seems likely that it will be in 16.04 since it's due in December
of
this
year. That would indeed be a good time for things to come together!

J.J.

Can anyone confirm that the rstudio package is now in the 16.04 repos
? That would be exciting!

Kind regards,

Xu

JJ Allaire

Wed, Aug 1, 2018 1:50 PM #

What keeps happening to us is that we end up requiring older or patched
versions of Qt, which makes it challenging to be synced to whatever version
of Qt happens to be in Debian/Ubuntu. Essentially we often need to vendor
Qt, and that isn't something that is compatible with being in the standard
Debian or Ubuntu repos (but may be compatible with Snaps or other
packaging/bundling standards).

We definitely should have a PPA though. Jonathan, is that something we're
considering along with work on Linux bundling (w/ Snaps, etc.)? I guess we
should also find out if it's acceptable to vendor Qt within a PPA.

Note that automated installation of the latest versions of RStudio stable,
preview, and daily builds is possible using the URLs published here:
https://support.rstudio.com/hc/en-us/articles/203842428-Getting-the-newest-RStudio-builds.
I realize this isn't a PPA, but it's at least a way of installing/updating
non-interactively.

J.J.

On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 4:36 PM Xu Wang <xuwang762 at gmail.com> wrote:

Dear All,

I try not to bump too much, but I just tried Ubuntu 18.04, and it is
not in repo and I still do not see any PPA available. If it would
help, I can spend the time to explain why I believe it helpful to
install using a command rather than webbrowser, but I think this is
already understood why helpful, but it seems there is just a technical
tricky problem to solve to implementation.

Thank you so much for all of your works. I'm sorry to insist on this
issue. Let me know if there is something I can help for testing.

Kind regards,

Xu

On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 2:23 AM, Xu Wang <xuwang762 at gmail.com> wrote:

OK thank you for your reply! It is too bad the environment is not
right yet in Ubuntu, but I will keep hoping that things work out.

Thank you for all of your work!

Kind regards,

Xu

On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 8:02 PM, JJ Allaire <jj at rstudio.com> wrote:

We still haven't gone to Qt 5.6 unfortunately. They've deprecated

QtWebKit

(which is part of the Qt 5.4 release which we are on now) so that's not

good place to be long term.

Qt 5.6 includes the Chromium based QWebView and is also an LTS Qt

release so

it's definitely the right platform to be on. We have a very small team
though and many other priorities, bug fixes, etc. tend to intrude.

J.J.



On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 7:53 PM, Xu Wang <xuwang762 at gmail.com> wrote:

On Sat, Feb 13, 2016 at 1:48 PM, Xu Wang <xuwang762 at gmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:06 AM, JJ Allaire <jj at rstudio.com> wrote:

Not yet. We need to migrate to Qt 5.6 then I think it will be pretty
seamless.

I see. Thank you for update and for your kind work, J.J.!

Hi JJ,

Any update? It seems it did not make it into Ubuntu 16.04. But thank
you very much for trying! I really appreciate your effort. Perhaps
there is a chance we can get it into 16.10?

Kind regards,

Xu

Kind regards,

Xu

J.J.

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:58 AM, Xu Wang <xuwang762 at gmail.com>

wrote:

On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 10:42 AM, JJ Allaire <jj at rstudio.com>

wrote:

It seems likely that it will be in 16.04 since it's due in

December

of
this
year. That would indeed be a good time for things to come

together!

J.J.

Can anyone confirm that the rstudio package is now in the 16.04

repos

? That would be exciting!

Kind regards,

Xu

Xu Wang

Wed, Aug 1, 2018 9:39 PM #

Thank you so much for the explanation, JJ! It is very kind of you to
give such detail and transparency. I am highly appreciative of it.

Kind regards,

Xu

On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 4:50 PM, JJ Allaire <jj at rstudio.com> wrote:

What keeps happening to us is that we end up requiring older or patched
versions of Qt, which makes it challenging to be synced to whatever version
of Qt happens to be in Debian/Ubuntu. Essentially we often need to vendor
Qt, and that isn't something that is compatible with being in the standard
Debian or Ubuntu repos (but may be compatible with Snaps or other
packaging/bundling standards).

We definitely should have a PPA though. Jonathan, is that something we're
considering along with work on Linux bundling (w/ Snaps, etc.)? I guess we
should also find out if it's acceptable to vendor Qt within a PPA.

Note that automated installation of the latest versions of RStudio stable,
preview, and daily builds is possible using the URLs published here:
https://support.rstudio.com/hc/en-us/articles/203842428-Getting-the-newest-RStudio-builds.
I realize this isn't a PPA, but it's at least a way of installing/updating
non-interactively.

J.J.





On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 4:36 PM Xu Wang <xuwang762 at gmail.com> wrote:

Dear All,

I try not to bump too much, but I just tried Ubuntu 18.04, and it is
not in repo and I still do not see any PPA available. If it would
help, I can spend the time to explain why I believe it helpful to
install using a command rather than webbrowser, but I think this is
already understood why helpful, but it seems there is just a technical
tricky problem to solve to implementation.

Thank you so much for all of your works. I'm sorry to insist on this
issue. Let me know if there is something I can help for testing.

Kind regards,

Xu

On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 2:23 AM, Xu Wang <xuwang762 at gmail.com> wrote:

OK thank you for your reply! It is too bad the environment is not
right yet in Ubuntu, but I will keep hoping that things work out.

Thank you for all of your work!

Kind regards,

Xu

On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 8:02 PM, JJ Allaire <jj at rstudio.com> wrote:

We still haven't gone to Qt 5.6 unfortunately. They've deprecated
QtWebKit
(which is part of the Qt 5.4 release which we are on now) so that's not
a
good place to be long term.

Qt 5.6 includes the Chromium based QWebView and is also an LTS Qt
release so
it's definitely the right platform to be on. We have a very small team
though and many other priorities, bug fixes, etc. tend to intrude.

J.J.



On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 7:53 PM, Xu Wang <xuwang762 at gmail.com> wrote:

On Sat, Feb 13, 2016 at 1:48 PM, Xu Wang <xuwang762 at gmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:06 AM, JJ Allaire <jj at rstudio.com> wrote:

Not yet. We need to migrate to Qt 5.6 then I think it will be
pretty
seamless.

I see. Thank you for update and for your kind work, J.J.!

Hi JJ,

Any update? It seems it did not make it into Ubuntu 16.04. But thank
you very much for trying! I really appreciate your effort. Perhaps
there is a chance we can get it into 16.10?

Kind regards,

Xu

Kind regards,

Xu

J.J.

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:58 AM, Xu Wang <xuwang762 at gmail.com>
wrote:

On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 10:42 AM, JJ Allaire <jj at rstudio.com>
wrote:

It seems likely that it will be in 16.04 since it's due in
December
of
this
year. That would indeed be a good time for things to come
together!

J.J.

Can anyone confirm that the rstudio package is now in the 16.04
repos
? That would be exciting!

Kind regards,

Xu

Dirk Eddelbuettel

Thu, Aug 2, 2018 4:38 AM #

As for non-manual updates, I have been using two scripts for a few years:

https://github.com/eddelbuettel/littler/blob/master/inst/examples/getRStudioDesktop.r
https://github.com/eddelbuettel/littler/blob/master/inst/examples/getRStudioServer.r

They are part of the littler package (in Debian and Ubuntu, and on CRAN) and
get tweaked / updated as the base URLs change.  Currently hardwired for the
system I use (Ubuntu, amd64) but easy to generalize.

That said, a PPA would be preferable as apt and friends are of course
perfectly capable to 'sort' among available versions, download and install.

Dirk

http://dirk.eddelbuettel.com | @eddelbuettel | edd at debian.org

JJ Allaire

Thu, Aug 2, 2018 5:32 AM #

Yes, a PPA would definitely be great and we'll look into doing that soon.

Dirk, you can avoid some of the scraping you are doing in those scripts via
the URLs here (which are redirects to the latest stable/preview/daily
versions):
https://support.rstudio.com/hc/en-us/articles/203842428-Getting-the-newest-RStudio-builds

On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 7:39 AM Dirk Eddelbuettel <edd at debian.org> wrote:

Dirk Eddelbuettel

Thu, Aug 2, 2018 5:51 AM #

On 2 August 2018 at 08:32, JJ Allaire wrote:

| Yes, a PPA would definitely be great and we'll look into doing that soon.
| 
| Dirk, you can avoid some of the scraping you are doing in those scripts via
| the URLs here (which are redirects to the latest stable/preview/daily
| versions):
| https://support.rstudio.com/hc/en-us/articles/203842428-Getting-the-newest-RStudio-builds

Splendid. Maybe that will give me some motivation to refactor the scripts,
put docopt parsing in there and allow selection among daily|preview|stable as
well as a selection among some of the OSs.  But for now it "works for me" :)

Dirk

http://dirk.eddelbuettel.com | @eddelbuettel | edd at debian.org