The other packages should (please correct me if I am wrong Dirk)
remain under control of the Debian package management.
If you want to update such packages as well, you need to bug me or
help me in creating those backports (or use apt pinning e.g. to
testing, but I think this would make things too complicated). For
example, I only update R base packages on CRAN/Debian (like
r-cran-foreign, r-cran-nlme etc.) when a new R version is released.
And there are a lot of packages that Dirk meticulously updates in
Debian unstable that I have never backported for Debian stable, like
r-cran-xml and r-cran-rgl.
Regards,
Johannes
P.S.: I also mainly use my own R distribution for Debian stable on
servers, just recently started to use it on my laptop (going back from
Ubuntu).
So now I'm baffled as to how to be friendly with R and linux/Debian
on this machine!
Perhaps I should say that I would like to work by:
1) having the cran deb line in /etc/apt/sources.list and doing basic
installation of R from there as my understanding is that that will
get me the latest R for Debian when you (plural) have rolled it and
put it on CRAN getting me round the downloading and replacing I used
to do on windoze and also making it pretty likely that you'll have
sorted out dependency problems etc.
2) would like then to rely on update.packages() from within R
3) but running as local user as I can see the logic of that
#1 and #2 are what I've always done on my Debian web server (where I
was running some cgi-bin scripts invoking R) but I always did the
update.packages() as root. I've now moved that server to a shell
account at mythic-beasts (great guys) so I'll have to do #3 for that
too in future and though I could update as root on this laptop I do
see the logic of not doing that and clearly you both and presumably
many others on this list do #1, #2 and #3 so why is it not working
for me?!
Suggestions gratefully received!
Very best & karma to all,
Chris
Dirk Eddelbuettel sent the following at 21/09/11 13:49:
Hi Chris,
Thanks for patient follow-up even after I (as Johannes noted) evidently
overlooked key parts of your first email.
On 21 September 2011 at 07:49, Chris Evans wrote:
| I ran synaptic from the Debian application menu which defaults to
root
| after askling for the root password the first time I invoke it
after a
| reboot. (I probably should have said that I've been using Debian
for my
| internet server work for about 15 years: I'm not a Debian/linux
newbie,
| just someone finally throwing away the reins from M$ to have a laptop
| running Debian as well!)
Perfect.
| I get that from invoking update.packages() in an R session
launched from
| a user (chris) terminal session. Before that I had done an install of
I do that too, as well as calling the 'install.r' helper script from
littler
(in its examples/ diretory, if interested).
This requires that you make /usr/local/lib/R/site-library/ writable
for _you_
as user chris, else you cannot.
[ It also assumes that the Renviron setting mentioned last time is
still
valid, do this:
edd at max:~$ R -q -e 'print(.libPaths())'
R> print(.libPaths())
[1] "/usr/local/lib/R/site-library" "/usr/lib/R/site-library"
"/usr/lib/R/library"
R>
R>
It _must_ be first as here. ]
Now, /usr/local/lib/R/site-library/ comes shipped from the r-base-core
package as owned by group 'staff' so one solution is to add yourself
to group
staff:
edd at max:~$ ls -ld /usr/local/lib/R/site-library/
drwxrwsr-x 136 root staff 4096 2011-09-20 07:44
/usr/local/lib/R/site-library/
edd at max:~$ id
uid=1000(edd) gid=1000(edd)
groups=1000(edd),4(adm),20(dialout),24(cdrom),27(sudo),44(video),46(plugdev),50(staff),[.....]
edd at max:~$
If those two conditions are met, you should be able to run
install.packages()
as you. I still prefer it from the shell as I sometimes need
another apt-get
call for a missing library etc.
| I wouldn't dream of compiling locally anything I can get from a
deb you
| rolled!!
:-)
| However, I come back to feeling that there must be three separate
| problems here that come from within the packages I added after the
| initial r-cran-base install. My hunch is that there are things
with XML
| and rgl that I will be able to track down when restrict to just
updating
"I would not dream of compiling locally" either. You could start by
locally
re-building the packages. Which requires the build depends.
| them but that at the moment there is a more global problem which I'm
| guessing is caused by one package overriding the order of library
path
| options seen in .libPaths() which starts with a perfectly writable
local
| user directory and I am guessing there is some way that package has
| insisted that the install tries /usr/lib/R/library.
Agreed on the first bit. I think /usr/lib/R/library -- where we as
users
should never tread as it is /usr which belongs to apt/dpkg -- is
just the
fallback. Somehow the value got nuked.
| I don't know enough about the way that R and linux work agree the
use of
| those library location options. From ?.libPaths and a bit more
hunting
| around the R help I had the impression that the .libPath options
would
| be used in order. I think I can remove the /usr ones by hacking in
Correct.
| /etc/R but that presumably risks losing access to the main libraries
| that will have been installed there so that doesn't look a good step
| forward except perhaps to debug things.
An easier option ... is to _explicitly add_ the
/usr/local/lib/R/site-library/ destination as an argument to
install.packages!
| I suspect that I could do a complete remove of all of R, start again
| installing r-cran-base, check that R installed by that updates
fine run
| by a user and then I could use synaptic to add the additional deb
| packages you provide but doing that one by one and running R and
| update.packages() after each one to see if I don't hit this until
afetr
| a particular deb but that's going to take quite a long time so I
| wondered if you or the list had quicker suggestions to debug this.
That sounds too involved.
| Sorry for length but hope that's clearer (got to try to be an
acceptable
| friend on R lists as well as with linux and I really, really do
| appreciate the generosity of this list).
No sweat. We're all just building karma :)
Dirk
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