On 07/01/2010 21:48, "Etienne Lalibert?" <etiennelaliberte at gmail.com> wrote:
Many thanks again Carsten.
Yes, you're right that care must be taken to
ensure that a decent number
of unique random matrices must be obtained. I
don't think it would be a
problem in my case given that transforming my
continuous abundance data
to count by
mat2<- floor(mat * 100 / min(mat[mat >
can quickly lead to a very large number of individuals (hundreds
thousands if not > million in some cases). The issue then becomes
one of computing speed, but that's another story.
Following your
suggestion, I came up with a simple (read na?ve) R
algorithm that starts with
a binary matrix obtained by commsimulator
then fills it randomly. It seems to
work relatively well, though it's
extremely slow.
In addition, because the
algorithm fills the matrix one individual at a
time, I sometimes ran into the
problem of one individual which had
nowhere to go because "ressources" at the
site (i.e. the row sum) was
already full. In that case, this individual
nowhere. This is a bit drastic and clearly sub-optimal,
only way I could quickly think of yesterday to prevent the
from getting stuck. The consequence is that often, the total number
individuals in the null matrix is a bit less than total number
individuals in the observed matrix.
Etienne,
This is the same problem as filling up a binary matrix: you get stuck before
you can fill in all presences. The solution in vegan::commsimulator was
"backtracking" method: when you get stuck, you remove some of the items
(backtrack to an earlier stage of filling) and start again. This is even
slower than initial filling, but it may be doable. The model application of
backtracking goes back to Gotelli & Entsminger (Oecologia 129, 282--291;
2001) who had this for binary data, but the same idea is natural for
quantitative null models, too. The vegan vignette discusses some details of
implementation which are valid also for quantitative filling.
I would like to repeat the serious warning that Carsten Dormann made: you
better be sure that your generated null models really are random. P?ter
S?lymos developed some quantitative null models for vegan, but we found in
our tests that they were not random at all, but the constraints we put
produced peculiar kind of data with regular features although there was
technically no problem. Therefore we removed code worth of huge amount of
developing work as dangerous for use. I do think that also the r2dtable
approach is more regular and less variable (lower variance) than the
community data, and you very easily get misleadingly significant results
when you compare your observed community against too regular null models.
This is something analogous to using strict Poisson error in glm or gam when
the data in fact are overdispersed to Poisson. Be very careful if you want
to claim significant results based on quantitative null models. Would I be a
referee or an editor for this kind of ms, I would be very skeptical ask for
the proof of the validity of the null model.
Cheers, Jari Oksanen
I don't see this as being a
real
problem with the large matrices I'll deal with though, but
something to be aware of.
If you're curious, here's the simple
algorithm, as well as some code to
run a test below. I'd be very interested to
algorithm!
Thanks again
Etienne
###
nullabun <-
? require(vegan)
? nsites <- nrow(x)
? nsp <- ncol(x)
? colsum <- colSums(x)
? nullbin <- commsimulator(x,
? rownull <- rowSums(nullbin)
? colnull <-
? rowsum <- rowsum - rownull
? colsum <- colsum - colnull
ind <- rep(1:nsp, colsum)
? ress <- rep(1:nsites, rowsum)
? total <-
? selinds <- sample(1:total)
? ? ?for (j in 1:total){
indsel <- ind[selinds[j]]
? ? ? ? sitepot <- which(nullbin[, indsel] > 0)
if (length(ress[ress %in% sitepot]) > 0 ){
sample(ress[ress %in% sitepot], 1)
? ? ? ? ? ?ress <- ress[-which(ress ==
? ? ? ? ? ?nullbin[sitesel, indsel] <- nullbin[sitesel, indsel]
? ? ? ? ? }
? ? ?}
return(nullbin)
}
### now let's test the
# create a dummy abundance matrix
m <-
matrix(c(1,3,2,0,3,1,0,2,1,0,2,1,0,0,1,2,0,3,0,0,0,1,4,3), 4,
6,
byrow=TRUE)
# generate a null matrix
m.null <- nullabun(m)
# compare
total number of individuals
sum(m) #30
sum(m.null) #29: one individual got
"stuck" with no ressources...
# to generate more than one null matrix, say
nulls <- replicate(n = 999, nullabun(m), simplify = F)
# how many unique
length(unique(nulls) ) # I found 983 out of 999
# how many
sum(m) # there are 30
# how bad is the problem of
individuals getting stuck with no ressources
in null matrices?
sums <-
as.numeric(lapply(nulls, sum, simplify = T))
hist(sums) # the vast majority
Le jeudi 07 janvier 2010 ? 10:34 +0100, Carsten
Dormann a ?crit :
Hi Etienne,
I'm afraid that swap.web cannot easily
accommodate this constraint.
Diego Vazquez has used an alternative approach
for this problem, but I
haven't seen code for it (it's briefly described in
his Oikos 2005
paper). While swap.web starts with a "too-full" matrix and
then
downsamples, Diego starts by allocating bottom-up. There it should be
relatively easy to also constrain the row-constancy of connectance.
I
can't promise, but I will hopefully have this algorithm by the end
of next
week (I'm teaching this stuff next week and this is one of the
assignments).
If so, I'll get it over to you.
The problem that already arises with
swap.web for very sparse matrices
is that there are very few unique
combinations left after all these
constraints. This will be even worse for
your approach, and plant
community data are usually VERY sparse. Once you
have produced the
null models, you should assure yourself that there are
hundreds
(better thousands) of possible randomised matrices. Adding just
one
more constraint to your null model (that of column AND row constancy
of 0s) will uniquely define the matrix! Referees may not pick it up,
but it
may give you trivial results.
Best wishes,
Carsten
V?zquez,
D. P., Meli?n, C. J., Williams, N. M., Bl?thgen, N., Krasnov,
B. R., Poulin,
R., et al. (2007). Species abundance and asymmetric
interaction strength in
ecological networks. Oikos, 116, 1120-1127.
On 06/01/2010 23:57, Etienne
Lalibert? wrote:
Many thanks Carsten and Peter for your suggestions.
commsimulator indeed respects the two contraints I'm interested in, but>
only allows for binary data.
swap.web is *almost* what I need, but
only overall matrix fill is kept
constant, whereas I want zeros to move
only between rows, not between
both columns and rows. In others words, if
the initial data matrix had
three zeros for row 1, permuted matrices
should also have three zeros
for that row.
I do not doubt that
Peter's suggestions are good, but I'm afraid they
complicated for my particular problem. All I'm after
randomly-assembled matrices from an observed species
compare the observed functional diversity of the
expectation. To be conservative, this requires
richness constant at each site, and keep row and
Could swap.web or permatswap(..., method = "quasiswap") be easily
tweaked to accomodate this? The only difference really is that matrix
should be kept constant *but also* be constrained within rows.
Etienne
Le 7 janvier 2010 08:17, Peter
Solymos <solymos at ualberta.ca> a ?crit :
You can try the Chris Hennig's prablus package which have a parametric
bootstrap based null-model where clumpedness of occurrences or
abundances (this might allow continuous data, too) is estimated from
site-species matrix and used in the null-model generation. But
sum of the matrix will vary randomly.
environmental covariates, you might try something more
example the simulate.rda or simulate.cca functions in
or fit multivariate LM for nested models (i.e.
other covariates) and compare AIC's, or use
random numbers based on the fitted model. This
desired statistic on the simulated data sets, and
what is the model (plus it is good for continuous
By using the null-model approach, you implicitly
defining constraints for the permutations, and
probabilities of the data given the constraints (null
not probability of the null hypothesis given the data
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On Wed, Jan 6,
2010 at 2:18 AM, Carsten Dormann <carsten.dormann at ufz.de> wrote:
Hi Etienne,
the double constraint is observed by two
swap.web in package bipartite
commsimulator in vegan (at least in the r-forge
Both build on the r2dtable approach, i.e. you have,
the low values into higher-value integers.
The algorithm is described in the help to swap.web.
On 06/01/2010 08:55, Etienne Lalibert? wrote:
Let's say I have measured plant biomass for a total of 5
sites (i.e. plots), such that I end with the
mat<- matrix(c(0.35, 0.12, 0.61, 0,
0, 0.28, 0, 0.42, 0.31, 0.19, 0.82,
0, 0, 0, 0.25), 3, 5, byrow =
dimnames(mat)<- list(c("site1", "site2", "site3"),
"sp3", "sp4", "sp5"))
Data is
therefore continuous. I want to generate n random community
which both respect the following constraints:
column totals are kept constant, such that "productivity" of
site is maintained, and that rare species at a "regional" level
2) number of species in each plot
is kept constant, i.e. each row
maintains the same number of zeros,
though these zeros should not stay
deal with continuous data, my initial idea was to transform the
continuous data in mat to integer data by
floor(mat * 100 / min(mat[mat> ?0]) )
by 100 is only used to reduce the effect of rounding
integer (a bit arbitrary). In a way, shuffling mat could now
as re-allocating "units of biomass" randomly to plots. However,
doing so results in a matrix with large number of "individuals" to
reshuffle, which can slow things down quite a bit. But this is only part
My main problem has been to find an
algorithm that can actually respect
constraints 1 and 2. Despite
trying various R functions (r2dtable,
permatfull, etc), I have not
yet been able to find one that can do
I've had some kind help from Peter Solymos who suggested that I try the
aylmer package, and it's *almost* what I need, but the problem is that
their algorithm does not allow for the zeros to move within the
they stay fixed. I want the number of zeros to stay constant
row, but I want them to move freely betweem columns.
Any help would be very much appreciated.
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Helmholtz Centre for Environmental Research-UFZ
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Email: carsten.dormann at ufz.de