adapting spatial points and wrld_smpl to a reference system implicit in a .nc file

Thanks heaps to all for your effort. If I go to another GEOSTAT ill bring
more giant crab this time.

The creator of the .nc file also looked at this webpage:
http://www.pkrc.net/wrf-lambert.html
It seemed like the right proj4 string might be this one:

+proj=lcc +lat_1=25.0 +lat_2=45.0 +lat_0=38.0
   +lon_0=-100.0 +a=6370 +b=6370 +towgs84=0,0,0 +no_defs

However this projection also does not allow me to adequately plot the
locations on the raster.

Here is the .nc file. it contains several layers.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/yto3linsgom3zi7/results_us_future_output_none_0.nc?dl=0

gI <- GDALinfo("results_us_future_output_none_0.nc")

summary(pts)

2016-02-23 2:25 GMT-07:00 Michael Sumner <mdsumner at gmail.com>:

On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 at 20:09 Roger Bivand <Roger.Bivand at nhh.no> wrote:

On Tue, 23 Feb 2016, Alex Mandel wrote:

I made an attempt at it too. Investigating the original data, I'm not
sure that the projection information supplied is correct for the data
linked. When I load up the data in a unprojected space, the coordinates
don't look at all similar to any Lambert projected data I have, they
actually look like Lat/Lon in some unprojected coordinate system,
perhaps a different spheroid than expected.

Does anyone have a link to the original data? Is is possible that this is
the General Oblique Transformation used by modellers - that is something
that feels like longlat but is recentred and oblique? Example at the very
end of my GEOSTAT talk last year (slides 81-83):

http://geostat-course.org/system/files/geostat_talk_150817.pdf

Roger

For what it is worth, the General Oblique Transformation is not the only
example - it's very common for modellers to have a mesh that has the
"mostly-properties" of a projection, but is not actually describable with
standard transform + affine parameters. The main cases that I've seen are
polar stereographic, equal area or oblique Mercator. Often they really are
simple transforms and you can reconstruct without loss, but it's not
usually possible to tell without exploration. It's an interesting
dis-connect to see code that builds a mesh with certain properties, then
only stores longitudes and latitudes - when it could be done with standard
tools and be stored and used much more efficiently.

(I've seen Lambert Conformal Conic and Lambert Azimuthal Equal Area
terminology conflated in this context too. )

I'm also interested to explore the original data.

Cheers, Mike.

-Alex

On 02/22/2016 10:17 PM, Frede Aakmann T?gersen wrote:

Hi

I tried to make it work but I had to give up. I wanted to reproject

the

Lamberth conformal conic coordinates to long-lat but it didn't work.

Perhaps someone can see what I did wrong. Here is what I did (data in

R

binary format and figure in png format both attached):

library(raster)
library(maptools)
data(wrld_simpl)

r <- raster("raster.grd")
projection(r)
## > NA

uro <- read.table("clean urosaurus records.csv", h = TRUE, sep = ",")
coordinates(uro) <- ~lon+lat

## Set projections for the 3 data sets

## Lamberth's confocal conic projection with given parameters
crs(r) <- "+proj=lcc +lat_0=38.0 +lon_0=-100 +lat_1=25.0 +lat_2=45.0

+ellps=WGS84"

projection(r)

## Assume that lon, lat are geographical coordinates (degrees decimal)
proj4string(uro) <- CRS("+proj=longlat +datum=WGS84")

## wrld_simpl is in geographical coordinates
proj4string(wrld_simpl)

## Make figure in png format
## Of course plotting data with 2 different projections will give
## some distortions
pdf("uro.png")

plot(r)
points(uro)
plot(wrld_simpl, add = TRUE) # World will be clipped to extent of 'r'

dev.off()

extent(r)
## class       : Extent
## xmin        : -131.4368
## xmax        : -68.56323
## ymin        : 12.35567
## ymax        : 50.26619

## Reproject the raster to long-lat
## This doesn't work (collapsed domain)
rp <- projectRaster(r, crs = "+proj=longlat +datum=WGS84 +no_defs

+ellps=WGS84 +towgs84=0,0,0")

## Because

extent(rp)

## class       : Extent
## xmin        : -100.0015
## xmax        : -99.68557
## ymin        : 37.70658
## ymax        : 38.00046

## Save data in R binary format
save(list = c("r", "uro", "wrld_simpl"), file = "uro.RData")


Yours sincerely / Med venlig hilsen

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-----Original Message-----
From: R-sig-Geo [mailto:r-sig-geo-bounces at r-project.org] On Behalf Of

Agus Camacho

Sent: 22. februar 2016 19:20
To: tech at wildintellect.com
Cc: r-sig-geo
Subject: Re: [R-sig-Geo] adapting spatial points and wrld_smpl to a

reference system implicit in a .nc file

Thanks Alex, but the locations still fall in the sea when i plot them

using

your recommended Solution. I looked at the sites you proposed and they

have

other values for lat_1, lat_0, etc..

2016-02-22 11:04 GMT-07:00 Alex M <tech_dev at wildintellect.com>:

On 02/22/2016 09:50 AM, Agus Camacho wrote:

Dear all,

Im trying to overlap these points:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/awdclg4cvsdngej/clean%20urosaurus%20records.csv?dl=0

and a wrld_simpl object:
library(maptools)
data(wrld_simpl)

Over this raster layer

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/qcw174tgogpnz7s/AAByDc3TeyFe3W4nEqTFix6Oa?dl=0

This rastr comes from a .nc file without a reference system. The

author

of

that .nc file gave me the following data about the .nc.

The projection is *Lambert conformal conic* projection
CEN_LAT = 38.0
CEN_LON = -100.0
TRUELAT1 = 25.
TRUELAT2 = 45.

However, despite i have gone through many sites in the internet, i

cant

figure it out:

a) if that is all the data i need to set a reference system for my

points

and the wrld_simp object.

b) how to change a typical CRS object with such data

Ex.CRS ("+proj=lcc+lat_0=38.0+lon0_2=-100+ellps=WGS84")

Where do i enter the TRUELAT and CENLAT values?
Are there any site that explains easily what the fields in the CRS

mean

and

how to change them?

Thanks in advance.

https://github.com/OSGeo/proj.4/wiki/GenParms
https://trac.osgeo.org/proj/wiki/GenParms

I believe:
+lat_0  = CEN_LAT   Latitude of origin
+lat_1  = TRUELAT1   Latitude of first standard parallel
+lat_2  = TRUELAT2   Latitude of second standard parallel
+lon_0  = CEN_LON   Central meridian

proj strings are defined by the proj4 libary. It's website listed

above

and the associated mailing lists or gis stackexchange would be the
places to get help on it.
https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/metacrs

It often helps to browse similar projections on
http://spatialreference.org/
http://epsg.io/

Enjoy,
Alex

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