[R-gui] Re: [R] Feedback about SciViews?

I seem to be missing these interim messages, very odd... anyways

On Wed, 30 Apr 2003 15:53:43 -0700
Don MacQueen <macq@llnl.gov> wrote:

At 5:29 PM +0100 4/30/03, Luke Whitaker wrote:

*snip*
At the risk of starting a religous war, isn't java the obvious choice
for a platform independent GUI ? I know java suffered a lot from
early over hypeing when it wasn't really ready, but in the last year
or two I've seen some very impressive platform independent GUI's
built with java.
Not unless it's a whole lot better than Insightful's initial effort 
on Solaris.

The GUI itself (i.e., how it operated, what menus were where, etc.)
was fine, but it was completely useless for anyone sitting at a
remote host, due to dreadful image quality and poor performance when
displaying anywhere other than on the console of the machine on which
SPlus was actually running.
I bet they were passing images around and not display lists. I couldn't 
really say since I never used it though.
(maybe it was ok displayed on a remote host of the same architecture;
I don't remember; but neither I nor any of the potential additional
users was)

-Don
It didn't work especially well on a local host on Linux either.  I 
have used one other Java GUI which was even more unsatisfactory (bad 
graphics), so I would avoid Java all almost all cost.  -Frank Harrell
Java on the client side hasn't really worked out well for anyone. Java 
on the server side works but AFAIK is dreadfully inefficient. In any 
case, I'm not a fan of cross-platform GUIs in general--be they Java, 
Tcl/Tk, Gtk, whatever. They're a fact of life, but never the optimal 
solution as they, on at least one platform (which changes depending on 
where the project originated) break the native GUI paradigm which sort 
of defeats the purpose of having a GUI in the first place (that being 
employing muscle memory and diverse visual cues, not hand-holding 
users).
---
Frank E Harrell Jr              Prof. of Biostatistics & Statistics
Div. of Biostatistics & Epidem. Dept. of Health Evaluation Sciences
U. Virginia School of Medicine  http://hesweb1.med.virginia.edu/biostat

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