WINE

Mon, Jan 26, 2004 10:40 AM

I stand corrected. It would be nicer if we could actually recompile  
Wintel
programs and not use emulation. That rules out using the commercial
programs, but it does allow all open source, and even the commercials
could recompile their stuff if they wanted to (not unlike using native
versions of the various toolkits).

Begin forwarded message:

From: Simon Urbanek <Simon.Urbanek@math.uni-augsburg.de>
Date: January 26, 2004 9:12:17 PST
To: Jan de Leeuw <deleeuw@stat.ucla.edu>
Subject: Re: [R-SIG-Mac] WINE

On Jan 26, 2004, at 5:50 PM, Jan de Leeuw wrote:

WINE (Wine Is Not an Emulator) is a native interface to the Windows
API's, so you can compile and then run Windows programs on
the native system (so it's not an emulator such as Virtual PC, which  
emulates
and Intel CPU on another CPU). Wine runs on Linux.

Well, that's not completely true. WINE doesn't need to emulate on  
Intel machines, because it just means running Intel code on an Intel  
machine. Therefore WINE basically provides Win32 API programs. So far,  
so good (I've been using WINE on my PCs ...).

But WINE cannot possibly run on a Mac w/o emulation. It needs to  
emulate Intel CPU, otherwise you need to re-compile the Win32 program  
anyway, which defies the purpose - running real (Intel-compiled) Win32  
programs ...

Note: "The first phase is the port of WINE to Darwin/x86 with XDarwin  
(XFree86)" - well, that's (fairly) easy, but won't help us, Mac folks.
"The second phase is to then port WINE to Darwin/PPC and Mac OS X by  
integrating the Bochs IA-32 interpreter" - now, effectively this means  
emulating an Intel machine (IA-32) via Bochs - so we're back at what  
VirtualPC does, except for the fact that it's free ;)

There is now a pre-Alpha of WINE for Panther on Sourceforge. I'll  
track
it. Eventually it means that twisted persons, such as me,  can compile
and run the Windows version of R natively on OS X.

Effectively this is not different from using VirtualPC - the only  
difference will be that it should be possible to avoid Windows desktop  
and use individual windows, which can intertwine with Aqua windows  
(hopefully). Anyway due to the emulation I doubt it's worth the hassle  
except maybe for finding all the bugs in the Windows GUI ;).

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Simon Urbanek
Department of computer oriented statistics and data analysis
University of Augsburg
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86135 Augsburg
Germany

Tel: +49-821-598-2236
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