-----Original Message-----
From: John Fox [mailto:jfox at mcmaster.ca]
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 5:16 PM
To: peter dalgaard; Manuel Sp?nola
Cc: John Fox; r-sig-mac at r-project.org; urbanek at research.att.com;
Jonathan Chapman
Subject: Re: [R-SIG-Mac] Problems with Rcmdr via XQuartz on OSX
Mavericks
Dear Peter,
Thank you for fielding this question.
For the time-being, and pending a more general resolution in R.app,
I'll add a note to this effect in the Rcmdr installation notes.
Best,
John
On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 22:53:11 +0100
peter dalgaard <pdalgd at gmail.com> wrote:
On 20 Nov 2013, at 22:24 , Manuel Sp?nola <mspinola10 at gmail.com>
Thank you very much John.
How can I run R and Rcmdr in a terminal window?
[Kids these days...]
Just open the Terminal application (it?s in the Utilities subfolder
of the Applications folder) and type R at its prompt. Then
library(Rcmdr) at the R prompt.
Best,
Manuel
2013/11/20 John Fox <jfox at mcmaster.ca>
Dear all,
I was able to reproduce the problem on my Macbook and believe I
solution, which is to run R and the Rcmdr in a terminal window.
this, the Rcmdr behaved normally. I'll investigate further and
findings back to the list.
I'm copying this message to Simon Urbanek who maintains R.app in
has insight into the problem.
I'm also interested whether running R from a terminal window
problem for others who experienced it.
Best,
John
On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 12:19:04 -0500
"John Fox" <jfox at mcmaster.ca> wrote:
Dear Jonathan et al,
First, thank you to all who responded. As I said, I haven't
problem myself, but I'll try again on my Mac later today when I
time and see whether I can reproduce it. I suspect that this is a
tcltk-related issue, not specific to the Rcmdr, but I don't know
In the meantime, here are two things to try:
(1) Reijo Sund suggested trying to run R and the Rcmdr from the
line (i.e., in a terminal window), to see whether the problem
itself there. The Rcmdr doesn't need R.app.
(2) It's possible that the slowdown is caused by the way that the
handles R Markdown documents. The overhead gets greater as the
proceeds. To test this possibility, you could suppress the R
(via the Rcmdr Tools -> Options menu, Output tab -- uncheck the
Markdown) and see whether the problem disappears.
Please let me know what happens.
Best,
John
On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 10:41:28 -0600
Jonathan Chapman <petsrme2 at icloud.com> wrote:
I upgraded to XQuartz 2.7.5, but it still lags.
Jonathan M. Chapman, DVM
312-813-1166
petsrme2 at icloud.com
On Nov 20, 2013, at 10:05 AM, Manuel Sp?nola
<mspinola10 at gmail.com>
I also have the same experience (like Jonathan) with Rcmdr in
with Mavericks. After few minutes Rcmdr starts to have time lags.
updated to XQuartz 2.7.5 but the behavior is the same.
Best,
Manuel
2013/11/20 Reijo Sund <reijo.sund at helsinki.fi>
So far I have not had problems with XQuartz, but similar slow-
occasionally happens while using tcltk-applications with the Aqua
of Tcl/Tk (ActiveTcl 8.6.x binary distribution). Unfortunately I
been able to create a reproducible example.
Anyhow, if XQuartz update won?t help, maybe it is worth
there is any difference while using R.app or command-line R.
- - -
Prof Brian Ripley <ripley at stats.ox.ac.uk> wrote:
Just checking: which version of XQuartz?
Although I have not experienced any problems, people
updating to 2.7.5 and I got prompted to do that yesterday (it was
On 20/11/2013 11:52, John Fox wrote:
Dear Jonathan,
I'm afraid that I don't know why you're experiencing this
problem. I upgraded my own Mac to Mavericks and the Rcmdr still
work fine. Also, no one else has reported this problem to me,
course doesn't mean that no one else has experienced it.
I don't doubt that something is wrong on your system but I
know what it might be. You've already reinstalled all of the
software, which is what I would have suggested.
I'm copying this response to the R Mac OS X email list in
someone who reads the list has a suggestion or, perhaps, has also
experienced the problem.
I'm sorry that I can't be of more help at this time.
John
On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 00:19:54 -0600
Jonathan Chapman <petsrme2 at icloud.com> wrote:
Dr. Fox,
I am an MPH student at the University of Minnesota. I was
referred to you by Dr. Ann Brearley because I am having issues
Rcmdr in XQuartz since upgrading to OSX Mavericks. Rcmdr runs
more-so as a lag, after an initial 1-2 minutes of use. Prior to
minutes of use and the subsequent lag in performance, Rcmdr runs
fine via XQuartz. Once closing out XQuartz and restarting it,
fine until after 1-2 minutes of use when the lag sets in again.
I?ve tried to remedy the situation prior to contacting you.
First, I reinstalled XQuartz. When that failed to solve the
reinstalled XQuartz along with R and Rcmdr. That attempt also
do not know what else to do or who/where else to turn.
Do you have any incite? Have you heard of anyone else
encountering this problem?
Jonathan M. Chapman, DVM
312-813-1166
petsrme2 at icloud.com