R version on gifi
At 5:45 PM +0200 6/17/03, Simon Urbanek wrote:
On Tuesday, June 17, 2003, at 05:11 PM, Don MacQueen wrote:
The really native version doesn't really need to depend on X11 anymore since the use of X11 on Mac OS X was meant for applications that are not properly ported to OS X yet. Once Quartz and RAqua are complete there is no need for X11.
Except for one major flaw in Aqua--the absence of "focus follows mouse", as it is sometimes called in an X
Yes, this is indeed a very nice feature (I've been using it on unix all time), but it can be disastrous at the same time. MS Windows has an undocumented registry key which allows you to enable this, but once you do that you'll realize that a lot of applications assume 'topmost-has-focus' state and are almost unusable if the 'focus-follows-mouse' is enabled (example: if you have a mouse over a toolbar your document window is inactive - most applications can't deal with that). I'm not sure about this in OS X (since we can't really test it ;P), but something similar might happen.
Jan cited "Gerben Wierda's i-installer" as a source for jpeg, png, and teTex. This source is somehow more "official" than fink? But, considering what Jan says, i.e. "everything needed in /usr/local will" be included with the installer package, it doesn't matter to the end user.
Exactly, that's the point :) We don't want to assume things that are non-standard. We should provide them if necessary. There is still one issue to consider in this context: source packages. A really 'plain' Mac OS X can't be used to install source packages as-is, basically because there are three missing things: Dev Tools, g77 and latex. The first one is official, so we could require that (and probably have to). G77 is really just a few files, so the installer could add it if necessary, but I'm not sure about latex. Is building packages w/o latex documentation an option?
For an OS X user with no unix background, I would think that pdf is the preferred format, and sufficient.
The direct use of source packages seems to me as the greatest benefit of OSX being unix-based, therefore i wouldn't like to miss it, even if I was pure Mac user... Cheers, Simon --- Simon Urbanek Department of computer oriented statistics and data analysis University of Augsburg Universit?tsstr. 14 86135 Augsburg Germany Tel: +49-821-598-2236 Fax: +49-821-598-2200 Simon.Urbanek@Math.Uni-Augsburg.de http://simon.urbanek.info
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