R 4.3.1 fails on Mac OS X Sonoma

On Oct 3, 2023, at 12:14 PM, William R Revelle <revelle at northwestern.edu> wrote:

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It turns out that is not just the graphics window that the focus problem, it is all windows.  That is, opening the help window takes focus away from the console and help needs to be closed before the console window will be active.  The install package window has the same problem.

For each case, closing the extra window restores console functioning.

I report this just so Simon can see the report.

I remain in awe of the work of Simon in getting the Mac version to work so well.

I am running

R version 4.3.1 Patched (2023-09-30 r85239)
Platform: aarch64-apple-darwin20 (64-bit)
Running under: macOS Sonoma 14.0

Bill

On Oct 1, 2023, at 12:13?PM, Sparapani, Rodney <rsparapa at mcw.edu> wrote:

I hear you!  It is not just R either.  I know you mentioned R-studio.
But there are lots of other things R-related like emacs.  I had the
hardest time with emacs for Catalina and Big sur.  I?m not sure
but I think Monterrey was better.  However, all of those issues
finally went away with Ventura.  This makes me extremely hesitant for Sonoma
since I am finally happy now.  So long story short: Apple gets there,
but it can take years sometimes.  The new hardware like ARM (and
the titanium iPhone!) look so cool it can be very tempting to go
bleeding-edge. I learned my lesson when Ventura first came out.
R was not ready and neither were lots of tools that we use here
at work.  Good luck
--
Rodney Sparapani, Associate Professor of Biostatistics, He/Him/His
Vice President, Wisconsin Chapter of the American Statistical Association
Institute for Health and Equity, Division of Biostatistics
Medical College of Wisconsin, Milwaukee Campus
From: William Revelle <lists at revelle.net>
Date: Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 12:01 PM
To: Sparapani, Rodney <rsparapa at mcw.edu>, r-sig-mac at r-project.org <r-sig-mac at r-project.org>
Subject: Re: [R-SIG-Mac] R 4.3.1 fails on Mac OS X Sonoma
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Hello.

I am wondering if this is just an issue on M1/2 chips or does it also affect Intel?

I usually hold off upgrading until the first or second patch, but I feel I should warn students in my class.

Kevin

On Oct 3, 2023, at 12:14 PM, William R Revelle <revelle at northwestern.edu> wrote:

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It turns out that is not just the graphics window that the focus problem, it is all windows.  That is, opening the help window takes focus away from the console and help needs to be closed before the console window will be active.  The install package window has the same problem.

For each case, closing the extra window restores console functioning.

I report this just so Simon can see the report.

I remain in awe of the work of Simon in getting the Mac version to work so well.

I am running

R version 4.3.1 Patched (2023-09-30 r85239)
Platform: aarch64-apple-darwin20 (64-bit)
Running under: macOS Sonoma 14.0

Bill

On Oct 1, 2023, at 12:13?PM, Sparapani, Rodney <rsparapa at mcw.edu> wrote:

I hear you!  It is not just R either.  I know you mentioned R-studio.
But there are lots of other things R-related like emacs.  I had the
hardest time with emacs for Catalina and Big sur.  I?m not sure
but I think Monterrey was better.  However, all of those issues
finally went away with Ventura.  This makes me extremely hesitant for Sonoma
since I am finally happy now.  So long story short: Apple gets there,
but it can take years sometimes.  The new hardware like ARM (and
the titanium iPhone!) look so cool it can be very tempting to go
bleeding-edge. I learned my lesson when Ventura first came out.
R was not ready and neither were lots of tools that we use here
at work.  Good luck
--
Rodney Sparapani, Associate Professor of Biostatistics, He/Him/His
Vice President, Wisconsin Chapter of the American Statistical Association
Institute for Health and Equity, Division of Biostatistics
Medical College of Wisconsin, Milwaukee Campus
From: William Revelle <lists at revelle.net>
Date: Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 12:01 PM
To: Sparapani, Rodney <rsparapa at mcw.edu>, r-sig-mac at r-project.org <r-sig-mac at r-project.org>
Subject: Re: [R-SIG-Mac] R 4.3.1 fails on Mac OS X Sonoma
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Northwestern University            www.northwestern.edu/
Use R for psychology                 personality-project.org/r
It 90 seconds to midnight          www.thebulletin.org

Aloha.

I've confirmed it on the M-chip but afraid to test on my Intel.  I have
had a problem for years now, that seems related and limited to R.app.
RStudio does not have the problem: which is why I stopped using R.app.

On multiple machines, all architectures, R.app spontaneously switches
from editor windows to console and the switching of focus causes code to
get damaged or destroyed unwittingly.

RStudio has its own problems but this problem has never been solved (for
me) and I haven't been able to confirm it with others so no known
cause.  It may be related to this current problem since it seems to be
in the same general domain.

J.

On 10/3/23 06:27, Kevin Thorpe wrote:

Hello.

I am wondering if this is just an issue on M1/2 chips or does it also affect Intel?

I usually hold off upgrading until the first or second patch, but I feel I should warn students in my class.

Kevin

On Oct 3, 2023, at 12:14 PM, William R Revelle <revelle at northwestern.edu> wrote:

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It turns out that is not just the graphics window that the focus problem, it is all windows.  That is, opening the help window takes focus away from the console and help needs to be closed before the console window will be active.  The install package window has the same problem.

For each case, closing the extra window restores console functioning.

I report this just so Simon can see the report.

I remain in awe of the work of Simon in getting the Mac version to work so well.

I am running

R version 4.3.1 Patched (2023-09-30 r85239)
Platform: aarch64-apple-darwin20 (64-bit)
Running under: macOS Sonoma 14.0

Bill

On Oct 1, 2023, at 12:13?PM, Sparapani, Rodney <rsparapa at mcw.edu> wrote:

I hear you!  It is not just R either.  I know you mentioned R-studio.
But there are lots of other things R-related like emacs.  I had the
hardest time with emacs for Catalina and Big sur.  I?m not sure
but I think Monterrey was better.  However, all of those issues
finally went away with Ventura.  This makes me extremely hesitant for Sonoma
since I am finally happy now.  So long story short: Apple gets there,
but it can take years sometimes.  The new hardware like ARM (and
the titanium iPhone!) look so cool it can be very tempting to go
bleeding-edge. I learned my lesson when Ventura first came out.
R was not ready and neither were lots of tools that we use here
at work.  Good luck
--
Rodney Sparapani, Associate Professor of Biostatistics, He/Him/His
Vice President, Wisconsin Chapter of the American Statistical Association
Institute for Health and Equity, Division of Biostatistics
Medical College of Wisconsin, Milwaukee Campus
From: William Revelle <lists at revelle.net>
Date: Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 12:01 PM
To: Sparapani, Rodney <rsparapa at mcw.edu>, r-sig-mac at r-project.org <r-sig-mac at r-project.org>
Subject: Re: [R-SIG-Mac] R 4.3.1 fails on Mac OS X Sonoma
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Northwestern University            www.northwestern.edu/
Use R for psychology                 personality-project.org/r
It 90 seconds to midnight          www.thebulletin.org

--
John Helly / San Diego Supercomputer Center / Scripps Institution of Oceanography
https://www.sdsc.edu/~hellyj / 808 205 9882 / 760 8408660

I can confirm that the behavior is the same on an Intel machine
freshly upgraded to Sonoma with R 4.3.0 R.app GUI 1.79 (8238)
aarch64-apple-darwin20
And it has been going on my M2 MBP R4.3.1 R.app GUI 1.79 (8238)
aarch64-apple-darwin20

Does the team need any debug outputs or similar to understand the
issue? Happy to send what's needed. Please advise.

HTH,
Brandon

On Tue, Oct 3, 2023 at 12:35?PM John Helly via R-SIG-Mac
<r-sig-mac at r-project.org> wrote:

Aloha.

I've confirmed it on the M-chip but afraid to test on my Intel.  I have
had a problem for years now, that seems related and limited to R.app.
RStudio does not have the problem: which is why I stopped using R.app.

On multiple machines, all architectures, R.app spontaneously switches
from editor windows to console and the switching of focus causes code to
get damaged or destroyed unwittingly.

RStudio has its own problems but this problem has never been solved (for
me) and I haven't been able to confirm it with others so no known
cause.  It may be related to this current problem since it seems to be
in the same general domain.

J.

On 10/3/23 06:27, Kevin Thorpe wrote:

Hello.

I am wondering if this is just an issue on M1/2 chips or does it also

affect Intel?

I usually hold off upgrading until the first or second patch, but I

feel I should warn students in my class.

Kevin

On Oct 3, 2023, at 12:14 PM, William R Revelle <

revelle at northwestern.edu> wrote:

[You don't often get email from revelle at northwestern.edu. Learn why

this is important at https://aka.ms/LearnAboutSenderIdentification ]

It turns out that is not just the graphics window that the focus

problem, it is all windows.  That is, opening the help window takes focus
away from the console and help needs to be closed before the console window
will be active.  The install package window has the same problem.

For each case, closing the extra window restores console functioning.

I report this just so Simon can see the report.

I remain in awe of the work of Simon in getting the Mac version to

work so well.

I am running

R version 4.3.1 Patched (2023-09-30 r85239)
Platform: aarch64-apple-darwin20 (64-bit)
Running under: macOS Sonoma 14.0

Bill

On Oct 1, 2023, at 12:13?PM, Sparapani, Rodney <rsparapa at mcw.edu>

wrote:

I hear you!  It is not just R either.  I know you mentioned R-studio.
But there are lots of other things R-related like emacs.  I had the
hardest time with emacs for Catalina and Big sur.  I?m not sure
but I think Monterrey was better.  However, all of those issues
finally went away with Ventura.  This makes me extremely hesitant

for Sonoma

since I am finally happy now.  So long story short: Apple gets there,
but it can take years sometimes.  The new hardware like ARM (and
the titanium iPhone!) look so cool it can be very tempting to go
bleeding-edge. I learned my lesson when Ventura first came out.
R was not ready and neither were lots of tools that we use here
at work.  Good luck
--
Rodney Sparapani, Associate Professor of Biostatistics, He/Him/His
Vice President, Wisconsin Chapter of the American Statistical

Association

Institute for Health and Equity, Division of Biostatistics
Medical College of Wisconsin, Milwaukee Campus
From: William Revelle <lists at revelle.net>
Date: Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 12:01 PM
To: Sparapani, Rodney <rsparapa at mcw.edu>, r-sig-mac at r-project.org <

r-sig-mac at r-project.org>

Subject: Re: [R-SIG-Mac] R 4.3.1 fails on Mac OS X Sonoma
ATTENTION: This email originated from a sender outside of MCW. Use

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graphics window (which is to say, the version I like).  I can still use
R-studio (which I don?t like as much).

I can wait patiently for a patch to the Mac version while using

R-Studio.

That way I don?t have to go through the hassle of trying to

reinstall 13.x and dumping 14.0.

Bill

On Oct 1, 2023, at 11:22?AM, Sparapani, Rodney <rsparapa at mcw.edu>

wrote:

Hi Bill:
Well, I am usually pretty cautious about this.  I don?t move to the
next release until R is ready.  For Ventura, it took quite awhile
before that happened.  Sorry
--
Rodney Sparapani, Associate Professor of Biostatistics, He/Him/His
Vice President, Wisconsin Chapter of the American Statistical

Association

Institute for Health and Equity, Division of Biostatistics
Medical College of Wisconsin, Milwaukee Campus
From: R-SIG-Mac <r-sig-mac-bounces at r-project.org> on behalf of

William Revelle <lists at revelle.net>

Date: Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 11:19 AM
To: r-sig-mac at r-project.org <r-sig-mac at r-project.org>
Subject: [R-SIG-Mac] R 4.3.1 fails on Mac OS 1
ATTENTION: This email originated from a sender outside of MCW. Use

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serious problem for graphics.

plot(1:10) creates a graphic window but I can not switch back to

the console window using either command-1 or the mouse.

Anybody else having this problem?  Any suggestions for a patch?

I am running a MacBook Pro with M1 Max.

Bill


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Department of Psychology         www.wcas.northwestern.edu/psych/
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--
John Helly / San Diego Supercomputer Center / Scripps Institution of

Oceanography

https://www.sdsc.edu/~hellyj / 808 205 9882 / 760 8408660

I can confirm that the behavior is the same on an Intel machine
freshly upgraded to Sonoma with R 4.3.0 R.app GUI 1.79 (8238)
aarch64-apple-darwin20
And it has been going on my M2 MBP R4.3.1 R.app GUI 1.79 (8238)
aarch64-apple-darwin20

Does the team need any debug outputs or similar to understand the
issue? Happy to send what's needed. Please advise.

HTH,
Brandon

On Tue, Oct 3, 2023 at 12:35?PM John Helly via R-SIG-Mac
<r-sig-mac at r-project.org> wrote:

Aloha.

I've confirmed it on the M-chip but afraid to test on my Intel.  I have
had a problem for years now, that seems related and limited to R.app.
RStudio does not have the problem: which is why I stopped using R.app.

On multiple machines, all architectures, R.app spontaneously switches
from editor windows to console and the switching of focus causes code to
get damaged or destroyed unwittingly.

RStudio has its own problems but this problem has never been solved (for
me) and I haven't been able to confirm it with others so no known
cause.  It may be related to this current problem since it seems to be
in the same general domain.

J.

On 10/3/23 06:27, Kevin Thorpe wrote:

Hello.

I am wondering if this is just an issue on M1/2 chips or does it also

affect Intel?

I usually hold off upgrading until the first or second patch, but I

feel I should warn students in my class.

Kevin

On Oct 3, 2023, at 12:14 PM, William R Revelle <

revelle at northwestern.edu> wrote:

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this is important at https://aka.ms/LearnAboutSenderIdentification ]

It turns out that is not just the graphics window that the focus

problem, it is all windows.  That is, opening the help window takes focus
away from the console and help needs to be closed before the console window
will be active.  The install package window has the same problem.

For each case, closing the extra window restores console functioning.

I report this just so Simon can see the report.

I remain in awe of the work of Simon in getting the Mac version to

work so well.

I am running

R version 4.3.1 Patched (2023-09-30 r85239)
Platform: aarch64-apple-darwin20 (64-bit)
Running under: macOS Sonoma 14.0

Bill

On Oct 1, 2023, at 12:13?PM, Sparapani, Rodney <rsparapa at mcw.edu>

wrote:

I hear you!  It is not just R either.  I know you mentioned R-studio.
But there are lots of other things R-related like emacs.  I had the
hardest time with emacs for Catalina and Big sur.  I?m not sure
but I think Monterrey was better.  However, all of those issues
finally went away with Ventura.  This makes me extremely hesitant

for Sonoma

since I am finally happy now.  So long story short: Apple gets there,
but it can take years sometimes.  The new hardware like ARM (and
the titanium iPhone!) look so cool it can be very tempting to go
bleeding-edge. I learned my lesson when Ventura first came out.
R was not ready and neither were lots of tools that we use here
at work.  Good luck
--
Rodney Sparapani, Associate Professor of Biostatistics, He/Him/His
Vice President, Wisconsin Chapter of the American Statistical

Association

Institute for Health and Equity, Division of Biostatistics
Medical College of Wisconsin, Milwaukee Campus
From: William Revelle <lists at revelle.net>
Date: Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 12:01 PM
To: Sparapani, Rodney <rsparapa at mcw.edu>, r-sig-mac at r-project.org <

r-sig-mac at r-project.org>

Subject: Re: [R-SIG-Mac] R 4.3.1 fails on Mac OS X Sonoma
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graphics window (which is to say, the version I like).  I can still use
R-studio (which I don?t like as much).

I can wait patiently for a patch to the Mac version while using

R-Studio.

That way I don?t have to go through the hassle of trying to

reinstall 13.x and dumping 14.0.

Bill

On Oct 1, 2023, at 11:22?AM, Sparapani, Rodney <rsparapa at mcw.edu>

wrote:

Hi Bill:
Well, I am usually pretty cautious about this.  I don?t move to the
next release until R is ready.  For Ventura, it took quite awhile
before that happened.  Sorry
--
Rodney Sparapani, Associate Professor of Biostatistics, He/Him/His
Vice President, Wisconsin Chapter of the American Statistical

Association

Institute for Health and Equity, Division of Biostatistics
Medical College of Wisconsin, Milwaukee Campus
From: R-SIG-Mac <r-sig-mac-bounces at r-project.org> on behalf of

William Revelle <lists at revelle.net>

Date: Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 11:19 AM
To: r-sig-mac at r-project.org <r-sig-mac at r-project.org>
Subject: [R-SIG-Mac] R 4.3.1 fails on Mac OS 1
ATTENTION: This email originated from a sender outside of MCW. Use

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serious problem for graphics.

plot(1:10) creates a graphic window but I can not switch back to

the console window using either command-1 or the mouse.

Anybody else having this problem?  Any suggestions for a patch?

I am running a MacBook Pro with M1 Max.

Bill


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On 4/10/2023, at 5:27 AM, Kevin Thorpe <kevin.thorpe at utoronto.ca> wrote:

Hello.

I am wondering if this is just an issue on M1/2 chips or does it also affect Intel?

I usually hold off upgrading until the first or second patch, but I feel I should warn students in my class.

On Oct 3, 2023, at 12:14 PM, William R Revelle <revelle at northwestern.edu> wrote:

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It turns out that is not just the graphics window that the focus problem, it is all windows.  That is, opening the help window takes focus away from the console and help needs to be closed before the console window will be active.  The install package window has the same problem.

For each case, closing the extra window restores console functioning.

I report this just so Simon can see the report.

I remain in awe of the work of Simon in getting the Mac version to work so well.

I am running

R version 4.3.1 Patched (2023-09-30 r85239)
Platform: aarch64-apple-darwin20 (64-bit)
Running under: macOS Sonoma 14.0

Bill

On Oct 1, 2023, at 12:13?PM, Sparapani, Rodney <rsparapa at mcw.edu> wrote:

I hear you!  It is not just R either.  I know you mentioned R-studio.
But there are lots of other things R-related like emacs.  I had the
hardest time with emacs for Catalina and Big sur.  I?m not sure
but I think Monterrey was better.  However, all of those issues
finally went away with Ventura.  This makes me extremely hesitant for Sonoma
since I am finally happy now.  So long story short: Apple gets there,
but it can take years sometimes.  The new hardware like ARM (and
the titanium iPhone!) look so cool it can be very tempting to go
bleeding-edge. I learned my lesson when Ventura first came out.
R was not ready and neither were lots of tools that we use here
at work.  Good luck
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Rodney Sparapani, Associate Professor of Biostatistics, He/Him/His
Vice President, Wisconsin Chapter of the American Statistical Association
Institute for Health and Equity, Division of Biostatistics
Medical College of Wisconsin, Milwaukee Campus
From: William Revelle <lists at revelle.net>
Date: Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 12:01 PM
To: Sparapani, Rodney <rsparapa at mcw.edu>, r-sig-mac at r-project.org <r-sig-mac at r-project.org>
Subject: Re: [R-SIG-Mac] R 4.3.1 fails on Mac OS X Sonoma
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