Hi, Can someone let me know what should work and what is known not to work with the latest R2.10x when installed on Tiger (10.4.11)? I did a quick tryout and found that the ? command brings up a blank help window. The help.start() (I think that's the command) brings up a R-help window in my web browser, but only some items' help pages show up there. I'm happy to do some testing or debug work, but just don't want to beat myself up against known walls. To answer the obvious: I'm lucky still to have a Mac at work at all, so the chances of IT getting me a Leopard upgrade disc are zero or less. thanks Carl
R2.10 vs OSX 10.4.11
5 messages · Carl Witthoft, Simon Urbanek
On Jan 12, 2010, at 17:51 , Carl Witthoft wrote:
Hi, Can someone let me know what should work and what is known not to work with the latest R2.10x when installed on Tiger (10.4.11)?
No, there is no "R2.10x".
I did a quick tryout and found that the ? command brings up a blank help window. The help.start() (I think that's the command) brings up a R-help window in my web browser, but only some items' help pages show up there. I'm happy to do some testing or debug work, but just don't want to beat myself up against known walls. To answer the obvious: I'm lucky still to have a Mac at work at all, so the chances of IT getting me a Leopard upgrade disc are zero or less.
R 2.10.1 was released for Mac OS X 10.4.11 and is the last release. There is no functional difference between the Leopard and Tiger release (other than the presence/absence of certain architectures), so upgrading the OS makes no difference in usability (for now -- there is likely to be no R 2.11.0 binary for Tiger anymore). If you have any issues, please make sure you're using R 2.10.1 and you may properly report them. Cheers, Simon
Sorry if my shorthand (common enough among business software devs, of which I am not one) is misleading. I simply meant 'the latest release of R2.10' when I wrote 2.10x. In any case, 2.10 is working fine on my 10.5.8 OS at home, but the help window was not working on 10.4.11 at work. I will post as much detail as I can acquire in the next day or two. Given that R wasn't crashing, I may not have much to offer other than a list of which packages' help pages show up and which don't. Carl
Simon Urbanek wrote:
On Jan 12, 2010, at 17:51 , Carl Witthoft wrote:
Hi, Can someone let me know what should work and what is known not to work with the latest R2.10x when installed on Tiger (10.4.11)?
No, there is no "R2.10x".
I did a quick tryout and found that the ? command brings up a blank help window. The help.start() (I think that's the command) brings up a R-help window in my web browser, but only some items' help pages show up there. I'm happy to do some testing or debug work, but just don't want to beat myself up against known walls. To answer the obvious: I'm lucky still to have a Mac at work at all, so the chances of IT getting me a Leopard upgrade disc are zero or less.
R 2.10.1 was released for Mac OS X 10.4.11 and is the last release. There is no functional difference between the Leopard and Tiger release (other than the presence/absence of certain architectures), so upgrading the OS makes no difference in usability (for now -- there is likely to be no R 2.11.0 binary for Tiger anymore). If you have any issues, please make sure you're using R 2.10.1 and you may properly report them. Cheers, Simon
Carl,
On Jan 12, 2010, at 8:07 PM, Carl Witthoft wrote:
Sorry if my shorthand (common enough among business software devs, of which I am not one) is misleading. I simply meant 'the latest release of R2.10' when I wrote 2.10x. In any case, 2.10
Argh - please do include the *real* version! It *does* make a huge difference! For example 2.10.0 has some help-related bugs (and others ;)) that were fixed in 2.10.1 so it is important to distinguish exactly which version you have.
is working fine on my 10.5.8 OS at home, but the help window was not working on 10.4.11 at work.
The new help system uses an integrated web server so firewall settings may get in your way there. I'm saying this only because you mentioned work ;).
I will post as much detail as I can acquire in the next day or two. Given that R wasn't crashing, I may not have much to offer other than a list of which packages' help pages show up and which don't.
A reproducible example is sufficient ... However, as I said there is no difference in the R help system between 10.4 and 10.5 so the reason is likely somewhere else (e.g. failure to re-install packages after an R upgrade). Cheers, Simon
Simon Urbanek wrote:
On Jan 12, 2010, at 17:51 , Carl Witthoft wrote:
Hi, Can someone let me know what should work and what is known not to work with the latest R2.10x when installed on Tiger (10.4.11)?
No, there is no "R2.10x".
I did a quick tryout and found that the ? command brings up a blank help window. The help.start() (I think that's the command) brings up a R-help window in my web browser, but only some items' help pages show up there. I'm happy to do some testing or debug work, but just don't want to beat myself up against known walls. To answer the obvious: I'm lucky still to have a Mac at work at all, so the chances of IT getting me a Leopard upgrade disc are zero or less.
R 2.10.1 was released for Mac OS X 10.4.11 and is the last release. There is no functional difference between the Leopard and Tiger release (other than the presence/absence of certain architectures), so upgrading the OS makes no difference in usability (for now -- there is likely to be no R 2.11.0 binary for Tiger anymore). If you have any issues, please make sure you're using R 2.10.1 and you may properly report them. Cheers, Simon
I confirmed that I'm running OSX 10.4.11, on an Intel iMac (4 yrs old or so). I am using Default FolderX, FinderPop, and Logitech COntrol Center Panes. OK, here's the startup info from the console: the console says.. ********* R version 2.10.1 (2009-12-14) Copyright (C) 2009 The R Foundation for Statistical Computing ISBN 3-900051-07-0 [skip dull stuff] [R.app GUI 1.31 (5538) i386-apple-darwin8.11.1] [Workspace restored from /Users/carl/Learning/Rgames/.RData] Rgames: ?assign starting httpd help server ... done Rgames: (where "Rgames" is my prompt. AFter that, help window opens, blank, etc. If I use the "fuzzy match" window the package list shows up but nothing writes to lower half of window. And as you asked, I am behind a firewall at work. This is not something I can modify. So, how do I 'tell' R not to go looking for online help? I hope I didn't misunderstand your comment here -- but certainly no application should ever depend on an internet connection to function! If I run help.start(), a page does open in my browser and I can search all packages which are on my machine. But just typing ?assign, or ? followed by any command from any basic package, or any package I've installed manually, will bring up the GUI's help window, which is always completely blank. And I checked: menu commands like "select all" are dimmed, which is consistent with an empty document window. I turned off all my Unsanity APE-related stuff, uninstalled ApplicationEnhancer, ran Disk Utility (no errors), and rebooted. I also logged into my "emergency account," which I keep clean and unused, and R behaved the same way there. Thanks for helping, and please let me know what other tests I can do to try to track down this problem.
Simon Urbanek wrote:
Carl,
Argh - please do include the *real* version! It *does* make a huge difference! For example 2.10.0 has some help-related bugs (and others ;)) that were fixed in 2.10.1 so it is important to distinguish exactly which version you have.
is working fine on my 10.5.8 OS at home, but the help window was not working on 10.4.11 at work.
The new help system uses an integrated web server so firewall settings may get in your way there. I'm saying this only because you mentioned work ;).
I will post as much detail as I can acquire in the next day or two. Given that R wasn't crashing, I may not have much to offer other than a list of which packages' help pages show up and which don't.
A reproducible example is sufficient ... However, as I said there is no difference in the R help system between 10.4 and 10.5 so the reason is likely somewhere else (e.g. failure to re-install packages after an R upgrade). Cheers, Simon
Simon Urbanek wrote:
On Jan 12, 2010, at 17:51 , Carl Witthoft wrote:
Hi, Can someone let me know what should work and what is known not to work with the latest R2.10x when installed on Tiger (10.4.11)?
No, there is no "R2.10x".
I did a quick tryout and found that the ? command brings up a blank help window. The help.start() (I think that's the command) brings up a R-help window in my web browser, but only some items' help pages show up there. I'm happy to do some testing or debug work, but just don't want to beat myself up against known walls. To answer the obvious: I'm lucky still to have a Mac at work at all, so the chances of IT getting me a Leopard upgrade disc are zero or less.
R 2.10.1 was released for Mac OS X 10.4.11 and is the last release. There is no functional difference between the Leopard and Tiger release (other than the presence/absence of certain architectures), so upgrading the OS makes no difference in usability (for now -- there is likely to be no R 2.11.0 binary for Tiger anymore). If you have any issues, please make sure you're using R 2.10.1 and you may properly report them. Cheers, Simon