I will no longer maintain the Darwin/X11 version, since (a) You can get a better version from fink -- in particular if you set up fink properly you will not have the missing dylib problems. (b) I have agreed with Jeff Whitaker (fink R maintainer) that he will put r-base, r-base-atlas, r-base-gnome, and r-base-atlas-gnome in fink. (c) I have agreed with Stefano that we will get working on an Aqua GUI for R and he will get working on a Quartz device. This will mean Quartz/Aqua wrappers around the Darwin/X11 version of R, best of both worlds. (d) I have agreed with Jeff that we will start putting R packages into the fink system. He has already installed rpy, which went without a glitch, and which now allows one to use all of R from python. === Jan de Leeuw; Professor and Chair, UCLA Department of Statistics; US mail: 9432 Boelter Hall, Box 951554, Los Angeles, CA 90095-1554 phone (310)-825-9550; fax (310)-206-5658; email: deleeuw@stat.ucla.edu homepage: http://www.stat.ucla.edu/~deleeuw ======================================================== No matter where you go, there you are. --- Buckaroo Banzai http://www.stat.ucla.edu/~deleeuw/sounds/nomatter.au ========================================================
R on Darwin/X11
4 messages · Jan de Leeuw, Don MacQueen, stefano iacus
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At 19:20 -0800 3/9/02, Jan de Leeuw wrote:
I will no longer maintain the Darwin/X11 version, since (a) You can get a better version from fink -- in particular if you set up fink properly you will not have the missing dylib problems. (b) I have agreed with Jeff Whitaker (fink R maintainer) that he will put r-base, r-base-atlas, r-base-gnome, and r-base-atlas-gnome in fink. (c) I have agreed with Stefano that we will get working on an Aqua GUI for R and he will get working on a Quartz device. This will mean Quartz/Aqua wrappers around the Darwin/X11 version of R, best of both worlds.
This is quite ambitious, and I'm generally supportive. I think there are probably a lot of Mac users for whom this would make it more likely they would use R. I do have one question. Would the ability to work in X11 mode go away? Here's why I ask. Standard practice in the Mac windowing environment has always been that the window that receives keyboard input MUST be on top. When I'm using R, I find this restriction extremely annoying and counter-productive. I normally have the graphics window partially covering the top right of my command input window. That way I can make the graphics window larger. Many, if not most, X11 window managers have an option to allow this (it goes by various names; "follow-focus" is one, because focus follows the mouse). Please, please, please, if at all possible, have the "Quartz/Aqua" wrapper allow follow-focus. In all likelihood, "input window on top" is so ingrained in Apple's world-view that it won't be possible, in which case my request is to allow continued use in X11 mode. To put it briefly, given a choice between X11 mode allowing follow-focus, and an Aqua mode that doesn't, this is a matter of personal preference that I feel strongly about, and I would choose the X11 mode.
(d) I have agreed with Jeff that we will start putting R packages into the fink system. He has already installed rpy, which went without a glitch, and which now allows one to use all of R from python. === Jan de Leeuw; Professor and Chair, UCLA Department of Statistics; US mail: 9432 Boelter Hall, Box 951554, Los Angeles, CA 90095-1554 phone (310)-825-9550; fax (310)-206-5658; email: deleeuw@stat.ucla.edu homepage: http://www.stat.ucla.edu/~deleeuw ======================================================== No matter where you go, there you are. --- Buckaroo Banzai http://www.stat.ucla.edu/~deleeuw/sounds/nomatter.au ========================================================
Thanks -Don
-------------------------------------- Don MacQueen Environmental Protection Department Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory Livermore, CA, USA --------------------------------------
No, I dont think X11 would go away. If you would start R from the command line in an Xterm you would still be able to use the X desktop.
On Monday, March 11, 2002, at 08:03 AM, Don MacQueen wrote:
At 19:20 -0800 3/9/02, Jan de Leeuw wrote:
I will no longer maintain the Darwin/X11 version, since (a) You can get a better version from fink -- in particular if you set up fink properly you will not have the missing dylib problems. (b) I have agreed with Jeff Whitaker (fink R maintainer) that he will put r-base, r-base-atlas, r-base-gnome, and r-base-atlas-gnome in fink. (c) I have agreed with Stefano that we will get working on an Aqua GUI for R and he will get working on a Quartz device. This will mean Quartz/Aqua wrappers around the Darwin/X11 version of R, best of both worlds.
This is quite ambitious, and I'm generally supportive. I think there are probably a lot of Mac users for whom this would make it more likely they would use R. I do have one question. Would the ability to work in X11 mode go away? Here's why I ask. Standard practice in the Mac windowing environment has always been that the window that receives keyboard input MUST be on top. When I'm using R, I find this restriction extremely annoying and counter-productive. I normally have the graphics window partially covering the top right of my command input window. That way I can make the graphics window larger. Many, if not most, X11 window managers have an option to allow this (it goes by various names; "follow-focus" is one, because focus follows the mouse). Please, please, please, if at all possible, have the "Quartz/Aqua" wrapper allow follow-focus. In all likelihood, "input window on top" is so ingrained in Apple's world-view that it won't be possible, in which case my request is to allow continued use in X11 mode. To put it briefly, given a choice between X11 mode allowing follow-focus, and an Aqua mode that doesn't, this is a matter of personal preference that I feel strongly about, and I would choose the X11 mode.
(d) I have agreed with Jeff that we will start putting R packages into the fink system. He has already installed rpy, which went without a glitch, and which now allows one to use all of R from python.
=== Jan de Leeuw; Professor and Chair, UCLA Department of Statistics; US mail: 9432 Boelter Hall, Box 951554, Los Angeles, CA 90095-1554 phone (310)-825-9550; fax (310)-206-5658; email: deleeuw@stat.ucla.edu homepage: http://www.stat.ucla.edu/~deleeuw ======================================================== No matter where you go, there you are. --- Buckaroo Banzai http://www.stat.ucla.edu/~deleeuw/sounds/nomatter.au ========================================================
Thanks -Don -- -------------------------------------- Don MacQueen Environmental Protection Department Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory Livermore, CA, USA --------------------------------------
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Don, the follow-focus can be implemented by some small utilities at system level. There was something similar even under old MacOS. So I don't think this is really something you can discouraged about in using and Aqua/Quartz R. But be confident, the X11 version will not be abandoned in any case. stefano
On Lunedì, marzo 11, 2002, at 05:03 , Don MacQueen wrote:
At 19:20 -0800 3/9/02, Jan de Leeuw wrote:
I will no longer maintain the Darwin/X11 version, since (a) You can get a better version from fink -- in particular if you set up fink properly you will not have the missing dylib problems. (b) I have agreed with Jeff Whitaker (fink R maintainer) that he will put r-base, r-base-atlas, r-base-gnome, and r-base-atlas-gnome in fink. (c) I have agreed with Stefano that we will get working on an Aqua GUI for R and he will get working on a Quartz device. This will mean Quartz/Aqua wrappers around the Darwin/X11 version of R, best of both worlds.
This is quite ambitious, and I'm generally supportive. I think there are probably a lot of Mac users for whom this would make it more likely they would use R. I do have one question. Would the ability to work in X11 mode go away? Here's why I ask. Standard practice in the Mac windowing environment has always been that the window that receives keyboard input MUST be on top. When I'm using R, I find this restriction extremely annoying and counter-productive. I normally have the graphics window partially covering the top right of my command input window. That way I can make the graphics window larger. Many, if not most, X11 window managers have an option to allow this (it goes by various names; "follow-focus" is one, because focus follows the mouse). Please, please, please, if at all possible, have the "Quartz/Aqua" wrapper allow follow-focus. In all likelihood, "input window on top" is so ingrained in Apple's world-view that it won't be possible, in which case my request is to allow continued use in X11 mode. To put it briefly, given a choice between X11 mode allowing follow-focus, and an Aqua mode that doesn't, this is a matter of personal preference that I feel strongly about, and I would choose the X11 mode.
(d) I have agreed with Jeff that we will start putting R packages into the fink system. He has already installed rpy, which went without a glitch, and which now allows one to use all of R from python. === Jan de Leeuw; Professor and Chair, UCLA Department of Statistics; US mail: 9432 Boelter Hall, Box 951554, Los Angeles, CA 90095-1554 phone (310)-825-9550; fax (310)-206-5658; email: deleeuw@stat.ucla.edu homepage: http://www.stat.ucla.edu/~deleeuw ======================================================== No matter where you go, there you are. --- Buckaroo Banzai http://www.stat.ucla.edu/~deleeuw/sounds/nomatter.au ========================================================
Thanks -Don -- -------------------------------------- Don MacQueen Environmental Protection Department Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory Livermore, CA, USA --------------------------------------
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