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[R-meta] Dealing with effect size dependance with a small number of studies

Dear James, Wolfgang,

Thanks a lot for the quick and informative responses!

1. I guess I made things unnecessarily complicated :) The thing is, I know
that all these models are essentially the same:
notationa <- rma.mv(ES_corrected, SV, random = ~ factor(IDeffect) |
IDstudy, data=MA_dat_raw)
notationb <- rma.mv(ES_corrected, SV, random = ~ 1 | IDstudy/IDeffect,
data=MA_dat_raw)
notationc <- rma.mv(ES_corrected, SV, random = ~ IDeffect | IDstudy,
data=MA_dat_raw)
but I read in the Konstantopoulos (2011) example that they only deal with
the dependence arising from effect sizes coming from the same studies, but
NOT with dependence arising from multiple ES coming from the same group of
participants. I then erroneously concluded that in order to deal with this
type of dependence I would need to use struct = "UN", but I understand now
that's not the case.

Also, indeed, IDeffect does not refer to the type of outcome in a study.
Actually, we do have an outcome variable DV which could be used instead of
IDeffect, but sometimes it has the same value for several ESs in the same
group of participants, so it didn't seem appropriate to use it in this
case. I did realize the model with IDeffect was not structured like Berkey
at al. but thought it would be a better option, as IDeffect variables have
unique values across IDstudy.

As for sigma1.1 and sigma2.1. it's quite possible I just got something
mixed up when I compared different notations (I may have plotted the wrong
model), but anyway, this model is definitely wrong for the data, so I'll
just leave it at that.


2. So, just to be sure I got this right, the following model
model <-rma.mv(ES_corrected, SV, random =  ~ 1 | IDstudy / IDsubsample/
IDeffect, data=MA_dat_raw)
in combination with clubSandwich robust estimates will yield adequate
effect size estimates for the situation where the same group of
participants provided more than one ES? That's actually the model I fit
first, but then thought wasn't appropriate after all.

I will also now look into inputting the covariance matrices and see if it's
possible to implement with the data we have. Thanks for suggesting this,
James.


3. Great, it does make the most sense to include all three levels of random
effects, I'm glad the small amount of variance is not an issue.


4. @James, unfortunately, our moderator is categorical and I'm not sure if
it theoretically makes sense to center it in any way... And by "taking
care" of this problem, I mostly meant that we're not making a huge mistake
for not explicitly modeling this if we use robust estimates. So, I think
we'll probably just leave it as it is.


Thanks again, this is really immensely helpful.

Best,
Danka


On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 11:35 PM Viechtbauer, Wolfgang (SP) <
wolfgang.viechtbauer at maastrichtuniversity.nl> wrote: