[R-meta] Dealing with effect size dependance with a small number of studies
Dear James, Wolfgang, Thanks a lot for the quick and informative responses! 1. I guess I made things unnecessarily complicated :) The thing is, I know that all these models are essentially the same: notationa <- rma.mv(ES_corrected, SV, random = ~ factor(IDeffect) | IDstudy, data=MA_dat_raw) notationb <- rma.mv(ES_corrected, SV, random = ~ 1 | IDstudy/IDeffect, data=MA_dat_raw) notationc <- rma.mv(ES_corrected, SV, random = ~ IDeffect | IDstudy, data=MA_dat_raw) but I read in the Konstantopoulos (2011) example that they only deal with the dependence arising from effect sizes coming from the same studies, but NOT with dependence arising from multiple ES coming from the same group of participants. I then erroneously concluded that in order to deal with this type of dependence I would need to use struct = "UN", but I understand now that's not the case. Also, indeed, IDeffect does not refer to the type of outcome in a study. Actually, we do have an outcome variable DV which could be used instead of IDeffect, but sometimes it has the same value for several ESs in the same group of participants, so it didn't seem appropriate to use it in this case. I did realize the model with IDeffect was not structured like Berkey at al. but thought it would be a better option, as IDeffect variables have unique values across IDstudy. As for sigma1.1 and sigma2.1. it's quite possible I just got something mixed up when I compared different notations (I may have plotted the wrong model), but anyway, this model is definitely wrong for the data, so I'll just leave it at that. 2. So, just to be sure I got this right, the following model model <-rma.mv(ES_corrected, SV, random = ~ 1 | IDstudy / IDsubsample/ IDeffect, data=MA_dat_raw) in combination with clubSandwich robust estimates will yield adequate effect size estimates for the situation where the same group of participants provided more than one ES? That's actually the model I fit first, but then thought wasn't appropriate after all. I will also now look into inputting the covariance matrices and see if it's possible to implement with the data we have. Thanks for suggesting this, James. 3. Great, it does make the most sense to include all three levels of random effects, I'm glad the small amount of variance is not an issue. 4. @James, unfortunately, our moderator is categorical and I'm not sure if it theoretically makes sense to center it in any way... And by "taking care" of this problem, I mostly meant that we're not making a huge mistake for not explicitly modeling this if we use robust estimates. So, I think we'll probably just leave it as it is. Thanks again, this is really immensely helpful. Best, Danka On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 11:35 PM Viechtbauer, Wolfgang (SP) <
wolfgang.viechtbauer at maastrichtuniversity.nl> wrote:
A few additional comments from my side below as well. Best, Wolfgang
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On Behalf Of James Pustejovsky Sent: Monday, 04 January, 2021 22:25 To: Danka Puric Cc: R meta Subject: Re: [R-meta] Dealing with effect size dependance with a small number of studies Hi Danka, Responses inline below. Kind Regards, James On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 5:41 AM Danka Puric <djaguard at gmail.com> wrote:
Hi everyone, Apologies for the long post and lots of questions. We are doing a meta-analysis where a single study sometimes included
more
than one subsample and also the same subsample (same group of
participants)
sometimes yielded more than one effect size. 1. Following the Berkey et al. (1998) example in metafor, we tried
fitting
the following ?basic? model: nested_UN <-rma.mv(ES_corrected, SV, random = ~ IDeffect | IDstudy,
struct
= "UN", data=MA_dat_raw) where individual effect sizes are nested within studies. This model, however, produces profile likelihood plots which have flat parts (both
for
sigma2.1 and sigma2.2), which (if I?m not mistaken) indicates model overparametrization. We believe this is most likely due to a small
number
of effect sizes (k = 69, from 53 subsamples, from 20 studies).
This model should not have any variance components called "sigma2.1" or "sigma2.2". When using the "random = ~ IDeffect | IDstudy" notation, you should get "tau2" and "rho" values. However, this model doesn't make much sense. I assume that different values of "IDeffect" are just used to differentiate multiple effects within the same study, but the levels are not meaningful in themselves (as opposed to the Berkey example, where the two levels of the 'inner' factor differentiate the two different outcomes). It would make more sense to use 'random = ~ IDeffect | IDstudy, struct = "CS"' which is in essence the same as 'random = ~ 1 | IDstudy / IDeffect'. See: http://www.metafor-project.org/doku.php/analyses:konstantopoulos2011
We tried a similar model with random = ~ IDeffect | IDsubsample, but
this
model did not even converge (I assume because the number of effect sizes per subsample is even smaller than the number of ES per study).
This is probably again related to using struct="UN", which is (probably) not appropriate here.
Are we correct in concluding that a multi-level model can not be
properly
fit with the data that we have and an alternative approach (RVE or
effect
size aggregation) is better suited to the data?
You have the wrong syntax here. If you want to specify a multi-level meta-analysis model in which effecstares nested within studies, use the
"/"
character to indicate nesting: nested_UN <-rma.mv(ES_corrected, SV, random = ~ IDstudy / IDeffect, data=MA_dat_raw) Or if you want to include sub-samples as an intermediate level: nested_UN <-rma.mv(ES_corrected, SV, random = ~ IDstudy / IDsubsample / IDeffect, data=MA_dat_raw)
It should be: "random = ~ 1 | IDstudy / IDeffect" or "random = ~ 1 | IDstudy / IDsubsample / IDeffect".
Both of these will give estimates of average effect size and variance component estimates. However, the corresponding standard errors of the average effect sizes are based on the assumption that the entire model is correctly specified. RVE relaxes that assumption. Thus, the decision to
use
RVE or not should be based on a judgement about the plausibility of the model's assumptions (rather than on whether you can get a model to converge).
2. If we want to use RVE, would the following model which includes
random
effects at all three levels (effect size, subsample, study) be
appropriate
in combination with clubSandwich package robust coefficient estimates? model <-rma.mv(ES_corrected, SV, random = ~ 1 | IDstudy / IDsubsample/ IDeffect, data=MA_dat_raw) coef_test(model, vcov = "CR2") Or should something else be done in order to adequately address the
issue
of effect size dependence?
This seems fine. One step better would be to consider whether the effect size estimates within a given sub-sample have correlated sampling errors. This would be the case, for instance, if the effect sizes are for
different
outcome measures (or measures of the same outcome at different points in time), assessed on the same sub-sample of individual participants. Details on how to do this can be found here:
analysis/
3. The variances for this model are:
Variance Components:
estim sqrt nlvls fixed factor
sigma^2.1 0.0589 0.2427 20 no IDstudy
sigma^2.2 0.0250 0.1583 53 no IDstudy/IDsubsample
sigma^2.3 0.0014 0.0373 69 no IDstudy/IDsubsample/IDeffect
In other words, there is very little variance at the level of IDeffect,
after Study and Subsample have been taken into account. The profile
likelihood plot for sigma^2.3 does, however, appear to peak at the
corresponding value when ?zoomed in? (with xlim=c(0,0.01)).
Should we consider this a satisfactory model, or is the variance at the
level of IDeffect too small to be meaningful? Presumably, this has to do
with the fact that the majority of subsamples (43 out of 53) only
contribute to the MA with one effect size, for 8 subsamples there are 2
ES
per subsample, and in two instances 5 ESs per subsample. Would an acceptable alternative model be: nested <- rma.mv(ES_corrected, SV, random = ~ 1 | IDstudy/IDeffect, data=MA_dat_raw) Here, we?ve excluded random effects at the subsample level, because it
made
more sense to include random effects at the level of individual effect sizes and the two variables have a substantial overlap. The variances
for
this model seem adequate (and their profile plots look fine, too).
Variance Components:
estim sqrt nlvls fixed factor
sigma^2.1 0.0678 0.2604 20 no IDstudy
sigma^2.2 0.0150 0.1223 69 no IDstudy/IDeffect
The nice thing about RVE is that the standard errors for the average
effect
are calculated in a way that does not require the correct specification of the random effects structure. As a result, you should get very similar standard errors regardless of whether you include random effects for all three levels or whether you exclude a level. However, the variance component estimates are still based on an assumption that the model is correctly specified. I think it would therefore be preferable to use the model that captures the theoretically relevant levels of variation, so in this case, all three levels.
Agree. I would go with the IDstudy/IDsubsample/IDeffect model.
4. Finally, we are also interested in examining the effects of a
moderator
variable which defines different outcomes. So, in cases when one
subsample
produces more than one effect size ? sometimes these effect sizes
belong to
the same level of the moderator variable (same outcome under different circumstances) and sometimes they belong to different levels of the moderator (different outcomes). Theoretically, we would expect
?same-level?
ESs to be more correlated than ?different-level? ones, but with the
small
number of subsamples that report more than one ES this seems impossible
to
model. Does the use of clubSandwich robust coefficient already take
care of
this?
It depends on what you mean by "take care of" this issue. RVE does not really solve the problem of how to model within- versus between-sample variation in a predictor, but it does mean that you can be less worried about getting the variance structure exactly correct. To address the issue you raise, one thing you could do is include a version of the moderator that is centered within each study, in addition to the study-level mean of the moderator. This would let you parse out "same-level" versus "different-level" variation in the moderator. However, with so few studies that have more than one level of the moderator, the within-study version
of
the predictor will have very little variation and so it will come with a large standard error.