-----Original Message-----
From: Lukas Wallrich [mailto:l.wallrich at gold.ac.uk]
Sent: Saturday, 12 December, 2020 10:59
To: Viechtbauer, Wolfgang (SP)
Cc: r-sig-meta-analysis at r-project.org
Subject: Re: [R-meta] Meta-analytical test of mediation model including
dependent tests - looking to resolve metafor issue or find alternative
approach
Dear Wolfgang,
Thank you very much for your quick and helpful response! The difference
indeed becomes much smaller (though it does not disappear in my case) when I
allow the heterogeneity to differ between the pairs in the joint estimation.
Now I need to decide whether that is appropriate - if I understand Rubio-
Aparicio et al. (2019) correctly, the decision depends on whether I expect
heteroscedasticity based on theory, rather than on any test of the data? In
case the data is informative, I share the full set below - from the data and
the theory, it appears that there is much more heterogeneity in some
correlations than others.
Regarding the alternative approach of combining correlation matrices: that
is actually where I started, but I?did not understand how to deal with one
type of dependency: measures?nested into constructs. Specifically, in my
data, some studies use two measures of the same construct, which?I would
both like to use to estimate the relevant correlations. For instance,
affective and cognitive are both measures of attitudes, so they should
inform those correlations rather than be estimated differently. Is there any
way to include that into your suggested approach?
Many thanks,
Lukas
meta_data <- tibble::tribble(
? ~study, ~measure, ~pair, ~r, ~N, ~inv_N,
"longit", "T1", "pos_div", 0.22, 211, 0.005,
? "longit", "T1", "pos_neg", 0.16, 211, 0.005,
? "longit", "T1", "neg_div", -0.02, 211, 0.005,
? "longit", "T2", "pos_div", 0.33, 211, 0.005,
? "longit", "T2", "pos_neg", -0.05, 211, 0.005,
? "longit", "T2", "neg_div", -0.28, 211, 0.005,
? "UK_mediation", "only", "neg_div", -0.3, 224, 0.004,
? "UK_mediation", "only", "pos_div", 0.43, 224, 0.004,
? "UK_mediation", "only", "pos_neg", -0.01, 224, 0.004,
? "UK_mediation", "affective", "pos_att", -0.38, 224, 0.004,
? "UK_mediation", "cognitive", "pos_att", -0.2, 224, 0.004,
? "UK_mediation", "affective", "div_att", -0.44, 224, 0.004,
? "UK_mediation", "cognitive", "div_att", -0.55, 224, 0.004,
? "UK_mediation", "affective", "neg_att", 0.18, 224, 0.004,
? "UK_mediation", "cognitive", "neg_att", 0.21, 224, 0.004,
? "DE_mediation", "only", "pos_div", 0.35, 2618, 0,
? "DE_mediation", "only", "neg_div", -0.16, 2618, 0,
? "DE_mediation", "only", "div_att", -0.53, 2618, 0,
? "DE_mediation", "only", "pos_neg", 0.25, 2618, 0,
? "DE_mediation", "only", "pos_att", -0.43, 2618, 0,
? "DE_mediation", "only", "neg_att", 0.26, 2618, 0,
? "longit", "T2_prej", "pos_att", -0.222, 211, 0.005,
? "longit", "T2_prej", "neg_att", 0.137, 211, 0.005,
? "longit", "T2_prej", "div_att", -0.227, 211, 0.005,
? "longit", "T1_therm", "neg_att", 0.148, 211, 0.005,
? "longit", "T1_therm", "div_att", -0.17, 211, 0.005,
? "longit", "T1_therm", "pos_att", -0.325, 211, 0.005,
? "longit", "T2_therm", "pos_att", -0.356, 211, 0.005,
? "longit", "T2_therm", "neg_att", 0.103, 211, 0.005,
? "longit", "T2_therm", "div_att", -0.231, 211, 0.005,
? "India", "divval_pref", "pos_div", 0.14, 152, 0.007,
? "India", "divval_instr", "pos_div", -0.058, 152, 0.007,
? "India", "divval_pref", "neg_div", -0.016, 152, 0.007,
? "India", "divval_instr", "neg_div", -0.248, 152, 0.007,
? "India", "divval_pref", "pos_neg", 0.003, 152, 0.007,
? "India", "divval_pref", "div_att", -0.213, 152, 0.007,
? "India", "divval_instr", "div_att", -0.208, 152, 0.007,
? "India", "divval_pref", "pos_att", -0.563, 152, 0.007,
? "India", "divval_pref", "neg_att", -0.016, 152, 0.007,
? "NCS_2018", "divval_pref", "pos_neg", -0.151, 329, 0.003,
? "NCS_2018", "divval_pref", "pos_div", 0.115, 316, 0.003,
? "NCS_2018", "divval_pref", "neg_div", -0.08, 315, 0.003,
? "NCS_2018", "divval_better", "pos_div", 0.037, 327, 0.003,
? "NCS_2018", "divval_better", "neg_div", -0.006, 326, 0.003,
? "NCS_2018", "divval_pref", "pos_att", -0.264, 319, 0.003,
? "NCS_2018", "divval_pref", "neg_att", 0.068, 318, 0.003,
? "NCS_2018", "divval_pref", "div_att", -0.077, 317, 0.003,
? "NCS_2018", "divval_better", "div_att", -0.069, 320, 0.003,
? "NCS_2019", "divval_pref", "pos_neg", -0.139, 434, 0.002,
? "NCS_2019", "divval_pref", "pos_div", 0.14, 110, 0.009,
? "NCS_2019", "divval_pref", "neg_div", -0.167, 107, 0.009,
? "NCS_2019", "divval_better", "pos_div", 0.074, 106, 0.009,
? "NCS_2019", "divval_better", "neg_div", -0.206, 103, 0.01,
? "NCS_2019", "divval_pref", "pos_att", -0.295, 447, 0.002,
? "NCS_2019", "divval_pref", "neg_att", 0.191, 432, 0.002,
? "NCS_2019", "divval_pref", "div_att", 0.126, 112, 0.009,
? "NCS_2019", "divval_better", "div_att", -0.223, 107, 0.009
)
On Fri, 11 Dec 2020 at 17:32, Viechtbauer, Wolfgang (SP)
<wolfgang.viechtbauer at maastrichtuniversity.nl> wrote:
Dear Lukas,
It is to be expected that the results from separate analyses will differ
from the multilevel model. This issue, albeit in a somewhat different
modeling context, is discussed here:
https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.metafor
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project.org%2Fdoku.php%2Ftips%3Acomp_two_independent_estimates&data=04%7
C01%7Cl.wallrich%40gold.ac.uk%7Ca6dfed0b394b453d3c8008d89dfacbfa%7C0d431f3f2
0c1461c958a46b29d4e021b%7C0%7C0%7C637433047777612288%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d
8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&a
mp;sdata=s31zFcZ7j8Cb57iUl6THo8Wt8v9A%2BjQRbXOenPHVzTY%3D&reserved=0
Also, 1/N is not quite the way the sampling variances for correlation
coefficients should be calculated, but given that the correlations are not
so large, this is probably not going to matter that much. One can also
debate whether one should meta-analyze raw correlation coefficients, but
let's leave this issue aside for now.
But the results don't look strange to me. It's also a rather small dataset,
so changes in the modeling approach can lead to noticeably different
results.
I am not sure if I would agree with the general approach here to deal with
the multilevel structure though. Let's take the first study:
?1 UK_mediation affective pos_att -0.38? 0.00446
?2 UK_mediation cognitive pos_att -0.2? ?0.00446
?3 UK_mediation affective neg_att? 0.18? 0.00446
?4 UK_mediation cognitive neg_att? 0.21? 0.00446
So, as far as I can tell, there are 4 variables that were measured in this
study: affective, cognitive, pos_att, and neg_att. If so, there should be 6
correlations in total, but you are showing only 4 of them. If one would also
know the affective-cognitive and the pos_att-neg_att correlations, then one
can construct the whole 6x6 var-cov matrix of the 6 correlations (or their
r-to-z transformed values). The 'devel' version of metafor has a function
for this called rcalc():
https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwviechtb.g
ithub.io%2Fmetafor%2Freference%2Frcalc.html&data=04%7C01%7Cl.wallrich%40
gold.ac.uk%7Ca6dfed0b394b453d3c8008d89dfacbfa%7C0d431f3f20c1461c958a46b29d4e
021b%7C0%7C0%7C637433047777612288%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMD
AiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=Bwh12FvZuC
%2B6MOSAF10Xu%2F3Pcew8zrPA%2FKXzByzp2Qc%3D&reserved=0
One can then use a 'proper' multivariate model. See here for an example:
https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwviechtb.g
ithub.io%2Fmetafor%2Freference%2Fdat.craft2003.html&data=04%7C01%7Cl.wal
lrich%40gold.ac.uk%7Ca6dfed0b394b453d3c8008d89dfacbfa%7C0d431f3f20c1461c958a
46b29d4e021b%7C0%7C0%7C637433047777612288%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC
4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=%2
B4te3clH6yllgNXgeciMOM8esQ0aocOmRcuANWAnlE4%3D&reserved=0
However, with 5 studies, I might even just consider using a model with a
properly constructed V matrix and no further random effects. There doesn't
seem to be a huge amount of heterogeneity in these data in the first place.
Best,
Wolfgang