[R-meta] Overlapping CIs with significant difference among subgroups
Dear Dr. Wolfgang, Thank you very much! Since confidence intervals are not very informative to exhibit diferences between subgroups, why is this practice so common among meta-analysts? Why not to present standard errors instead of CIs? Best wishes, Rafael. Em ter, 2 de jun de 2020 ?s 03:48, Viechtbauer, Wolfgang (SP) < wolfgang.viechtbauer at maastrichtuniversity.nl> escreveu:
Dear Rafael, CIs can overlap and yet the difference between the two levels can be significant. See, for example: https://towardsdatascience.com/why-overlapping-confidence-intervals-mean-nothing-about-statistical-significance-48360559900a?gi=b673a691634d https://www.psychologicalscience.org/observer/understanding-confidence-intervals-cis-and-effect-size-estimation https://blog.minitab.com/blog/real-world-quality-improvement/common-statistical-mistakes-you-should-avoid and many more (just google for "test difference overlapping confidence intervals" or something along those lines). They don't talk about meta-analysis per se, but it's the same principle. So, you can trust the test of the difference between the levels of the moderators. Best, Wolfgang
-----Original Message----- From: Rafael Rios [mailto:biorafaelrm at gmail.com] Sent: Monday, 01 June, 2020 21:54 To: r-sig-meta-analysis at r-project.org; Viechtbauer, Wolfgang (SP) Subject: Overlapping CIs with significant difference among subgroups ATTACHMENT(S) REMOVED: dataset.csv | pruned_super-tree.tre | script.R Dear Wolfgang and All, I conducted a multilevel mixed-effects meta-analysis and found differences between levels of two moderators. I was expecting to find non-overlapped confidence intervals. However, I obtained overlapped confidence intervals for all subgroups. How can I interpret these results? In such situation, should I trust in the Q-test or in the CIs? I controlled for phylogenetic non-independence. Is there a chance of this approach affect the estimation of CIs using predict function? My dataset and script are attached. Best wishes,
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_______________________________________________________ *Prof. Dr. Rafael Rios Moura* Coordenador de Pesquisa e do NEPEE/CNPq Laborat?rio de Ecologia e Zoologia (LEZ) UEMG - Unidade Ituiutaba ORCID: http://orcid.org/0000-0002-7911-4734 Curr?culo Lattes: http://lattes.cnpq.br/4264357546465157 <http://orcid.org/0000-0002-7911-4734> <http://lattes.cnpq.br/4264357546465157> <http://lattes.cnpq.br/4264357546465157>Research Gate: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Rafael_Rios_Moura2 <http://orcid.org/0000-0002-7911-4734> Rios de Ci?ncia: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCu2186wIJKji22ai8tvlUfg <http://orcid.org/0000-0002-7911-4734> [[alternative HTML version deleted]]