[R-meta] Rare dependent variable with correlation among effect sizes
Following your article "A comparison of seven random-effects models for meta-analyses that estimate the summary odds ratio?, would that be "Model 4: a modified version of Simmonds and Higgins model?? glmer(cbind(event,n-event)~factor(study)+factor(treat)+(treat12-1|study), data=thedata1, family=binomial(link="logit"))
On Mar 6, 2023, 6:33 PM -0300, Viechtbauer, Wolfgang (NP) <wolfgang.viechtbauer at maastrichtuniversity.nl>, wrote:
When using a logistic model for the analysis, the data structure is changed into a long / arm-based format. One then adds fixed (or random) effects for studies, a fixed effect for group, and a random effect for group (to account for heterogeneity in the treatment effects). This circumvents the issue of a shared control group. This is in essence the same as what happens in a network meta-analysis using an arm-based instead of a contrast-based model (in the latter case, we need to deal with the dependency in three- or more-arm studies, but not in the arm-based model).
-----Original Message----- From: Arthur Albuquerque [mailto:arthurcsirio at gmail.com] Sent: Monday, 06 March, 2023 22:22 To: R Special Interest Group for Meta-Analysis; Viechtbauer, Wolfgang (NP) Subject: RE: [R-meta] Rare dependent variable with correlation among effect sizes My effect size of interest is the odds ratio. A random effect logistic regression with random intercept by study won?t account for the shared control group within each study. What other alternative do I have over the sandwich estimator? On Mar 6, 2023, 6:19 PM -0300, Viechtbauer, Wolfgang (NP) <wolfgang.viechtbauer at maastrichtuniversity.nl>, wrote: I don't see the need to use a sandwich estimator, and with 4 studies, this is unlikely to be all that useful. -----Original Message----- From: Arthur Albuquerque [mailto:arthurcsirio at gmail.com] Sent: Monday, 06 March, 2023 22:01 To: R Special Interest Group for Meta-Analysis; Viechtbauer, Wolfgang (NP) Subject: RE: [R-meta] Rare dependent variable with correlation among effect sizes Hi Wolfang, thanks for the quick reply. About 2), would you fit the model in lme4 then use a sandwich estimator? As you said, a regular random-effect model in lme4 would be analog to rma.glmm(). On Mar 6, 2023, 5:45 PM -0300, Viechtbauer, Wolfgang (NP) <wolfgang.viechtbauer at maastrichtuniversity.nl>, wrote: Hi Arthur, Just a small correction: vcov() should be vcalc(). But to your actual question: rma.glmm() doesn't handle that. Some options: 1) use rma.mv() with a measure like "AS" and use vcalc() to construct the V matrix. 2) go straight to lme4::glmer(). Except for the non-central hypergeometric model, rma.glmm() is in essence just a wrapper for lme4::glmer() (or GLMMadaptive / glmmTMB as alternatives). Best, Wolfgang -----Original Message----- From: R-sig-meta-analysis [mailto:r-sig-meta-analysis-bounces at r-project.org] On Behalf Of Arthur Albuquerque via R-sig-meta-analysis Sent: Monday, 06 March, 2023 21:17 To: R meta Cc: Arthur Albuquerque Subject: [R-meta] Rare dependent variable with correlation among effect sizes Hi all, Tl;dr: I want to meta-analyze studies with a rare dependent variable with correlation among effect sizes. I have four randomized controlled trials. Within each RCT, there is one ?control? group and multiple (>3) ?experimental? groups. Thus, there is a shared control group which induces correlation among the effect sizes within each RCT. I am aware that constructing a variance-covariance matrix with vcov() then fitting the model with rma.mv() is an appropriate solution (per topic 5 in ?Details? in ?vcov). Such approach requires one to first estimate effect sizes with escalc(). However, I am dealing with RCTs with a rare dependent variable. In these cases, using an exact likelihood (in this case, Binomial) is preferable. I believe rma.mv() does not support such likelihood. How can I fit such model with rma.glmm() considering?correlation among effect sizes? Ideally, I?d like to fit a random effect model. Best, Arthur