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Date: 2020-12-03T08:10:01Z
From: Wolfgang Viechtbauer
Subject: [R-meta] Calculating effect size for subsets of data
In-Reply-To: <13c2010b821f456680472509dfc87981@hertie-school.org>
Dear Tarun,
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Indeed, coefficients with overlapping CIs may still be significantly different from each other. You can use anova() with the 'L' argument to test pairs of coefficients against each other. See:
http://www.metafor-project.org/doku.php/tips:testing_factors_lincoms#testing_linear_combinations
and
http://www.metafor-project.org/doku.php/tips:multiple_factors_interactions
for illustrations.
Best,
Wolfgang
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Tarun Khanna [mailto:khanna at hertie-school.org]
>Sent: Thursday, 03 December, 2020 8:02
>To: Viechtbauer, Wolfgang (SP); r-sig-meta-analysis at r-project.org
>Subject: Re: Calculating effect size for subsets of data
>
>Dear Wolfgang,
>
>I am following up on a question that we discussed a few weeks ago regarding
>meta-analysis for different combinations of data. This is regarding
>interpreting the results.
>
>label
>?beta
>?se
>?pvalues
>?upper_lim
>?lower_lim
>Social Comparison
>????????? 0.102
>????????? 0.057
>????????? 0.077
>????????? 0.214
>???????? (0.011)
>Feedback
>????????? 0.076
>????????? 0.033
>????????? 0.020
>????????? 0.140
>????????? 0.012
>Feedback+Social
>????????? 0.104
>????????? 0.043
>????????? 0.016
>????????? 0.189
>????????? 0.020
>Monetary Incentives
>????????? 0.261
>????????? 0.042
>????????? 0.000
>????????? 0.344
>????????? 0.178
>Social+Monetary
>????????? 0.034
>????????? 0.081
>????????? 0.674
>????????? 0.193
>???????? (0.125)
>Feedback+Monetary
>????????? 0.176
>????????? 0.060
>????????? 0.003
>????????? 0.293
>????????? 0.060
>Social+Monetary+Feedback
>????????? 0.338
>????????? 0.139
>????????? 0.015
>????????? 0.611
>????????? 0.065
>Motivation
>????????? 0.131
>????????? 0.052
>????????? 0.012
>????????? 0.233
>????????? 0.029
>Feedback+Motivation
>????????? 0.152
>????????? 0.047
>????????? 0.001
>????????? 0.243
>????????? 0.061
>Social+Feedback+Motivation
>????????? 0.212
>????????? 0.087
>????????? 0.015
>????????? 0.383
>????????? 0.041
>
>I ran the model as you suggested. The model reveals differences in the
>average effect size the different combinations but the condifence levels of
>these estimates overlap. In my opinion that does not mean that the
>differences are not statistically significant as we don't necessarily test
>for significance of differences. Or do these results mean we can't say
>anything about the differences??In a regression model I would run a F test
>with Ho : b1-b2 = 0. Can we do the same here?
>
>Best
>Tarun
>
>Tarun Khanna
>Research Associate
>
>Hertie School
>
>Friedrichstra?e 180
>10117 Berlin ? Germany
>khanna at hertie-school.org ? www.hertie-school.org
>________________________________________
>From: Viechtbauer, Wolfgang (SP)
><wolfgang.viechtbauer at maastrichtuniversity.nl>
>Sent: 02 September 2020 11:40:27
>To: Tarun Khanna; r-sig-meta-analysis at r-project.org
>Subject: RE: Calculating effect size for subsets of data
>
>Dear Tarun,
>
>If I understand you correctly, then there should be 16 different
>combinations of A, B, C, and D but one of them (A=B=C=D=0) cannot occur, so
>essentially there are 15 combinations that were observed. As a result, you
>should have gotten a warning when fitting the model that a redundant
>predictor was dropped from the model. Let's consider a simpler case with
>just A and B:
>
>set.seed(1234)
>k <- 900
>A <- c(rep(0,k/3), rep(1,k/3), rep(1,k/3))
>B <- c(rep(1,k/3), rep(0,k/3), rep(1,k/3))
>vi <- rep(.01, k)
>yi <- rnorm(k, 0.5 * A + 0.1 * B + 0.3*A*B, sqrt(vi))
>
>A <- factor(A)
>B <- factor(B)
>
>res <- rma(yi, vi, mods = ~ A*B)
>res
>
>These are the model results:
>
>???????? estimate????? se????? zval??? pval??? ci.lb??? ci.ub
>intrcpt?? -0.3019? 0.0100? -30.1904? <.0001? -0.3215? -0.2823? ***
>A1???????? 0.7963? 0.0082?? 97.5319? <.0001?? 0.7803?? 0.8123? ***
>B1???????? 0.4032? 0.0082?? 49.3825? <.0001?? 0.3872?? 0.4192? ***
>
>The results are a bit tricky to interpret, so I would suggest a different
>parameterization:
>
>res <- rma(yi, vi, mods = ~ A:B + 0)
>res
>
>?????? estimate????? se????? zval??? pval?? ci.lb?? ci.ub
>A1:B0??? 0.4944? 0.0058?? 85.6397? <.0001? 0.4831? 0.5058? ***
>A0:B1??? 0.1013? 0.0058?? 17.5462? <.0001? 0.0900? 0.1126? ***
>A1:B1??? 0.8976? 0.0058? 155.4771? <.0001? 0.8863? 0.9090? ***
>
>Now we can clearly see that A1:B0 is the estimated effect when A is given
>alone, A0:B1 is the estimated effect when B is given alone, and A1:B1 is the
>estimated effect when A and B are given together.
>
>Best,
>Wolfgang
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: R-sig-meta-analysis [mailto:r-sig-meta-analysis-bounces at r-
>project.org]
>>On Behalf Of Tarun Khanna
>>Sent: Monday, 31 August, 2020 13:11
>>To: r-sig-meta-analysis at r-project.org
>>Subject: [R-meta] Calculating effect size for subsets of data
>>
>>Dear all,
>>
>>I am conducting a meta-analysis of effect of certain interventions on
>>household energy consumption. In my data set I have a dummy variable for
>>each of the sub-interventions: A,B,C,D such that intersection of A=0 & B=0
>&
>>C=0 & D=0 is zero. Each effect size may be associated with multiple
>>interventions though.
>>
>>I have calculated an aggregate effect size across interventions and then
>>effect size by sub-intervention. But I also want to compare if the effect
>of
>>the sub-interventions differs from each other. I thought about including
>the
>>sub-regression dummies as controls in the meta regression:
>>
>>rma (yi, vi, method = "REML", data = data, mods ~ A*B*C*D)
>>
>>The problem in interpreting the output of this regression is that there is
>>no base category left for the intercept to denote. Can I perhaps run the
>>model by supressing the intercept? Or what would be the interpretation of
>>the intercept in this case?
>>
>>Thanks in advance!
>>
>>Best
>>
>>Tarun
>>Tarun Khanna
>>PhD Researcher
>>Hertie School
>>
>>Friedrichstra?e 180
>>10117 Berlin ? Germany
>>khanna at hertie-school.org ? www.hertie-school.org<http://www.hertie-
>>school.org/>