Lukasz Stasielowicz
Osnabr?ck University
Institute for Psychology
Research methods, psychological assessment, and evaluation
Seminarstra?e 20
49074 Osnabr?ck (Germany)
Am 18.01.2021 um 09:00 schrieb r-sig-meta-analysis-request at r-project.org:
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> 1. Re: SEM of correlational meta-analytic data?
> (Viechtbauer, Wolfgang (SP))
> 2. Re: SEM of correlational meta-analytic data?
> (Gladys Barragan-Jason)
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> Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2021 11:11:14 +0000
> From: "Viechtbauer, Wolfgang (SP)"
> <wolfgang.viechtbauer at maastrichtuniversity.nl>
> To: Gladys Barragan-Jason <gladou86 at gmail.com>,
> "r-sig-meta-analysis at r-project.org"
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> Subject: Re: [R-meta] SEM of correlational meta-analytic data?
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> Dear Gladys,
>
> Inferring causality from observational data is tricky business. SEM (with primary data) or meta-analytic structural equation modeling (MASEM) does not magically allow us to do so just by fitting some model.
>
> But if you want to do MASEM, then the MetaSEM package is a good choice. I also recently added some functionality to metafor that goes a bit in the same direction. See:
>
> https://wviechtb.github.io/metafor/reference/rcalc.html
> https://wviechtb.github.io/metafor/reference/matreg.html
>
> Note that you will need to install the 'devel' version of metafor to make use of these functions:
>
> https://wviechtb.github.io/metafor/index.html#installation
>
> Best,
> Wolfgang
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: R-sig-meta-analysis [mailto:r-sig-meta-analysis-bounces at r-project.org]
>> On Behalf Of Gladys Barragan-Jason
>> Sent: Sunday, 17 January, 2021 11:23
>> To: r-sig-meta-analysis at r-project.org
>> Subject: [R-meta] SEM of correlational meta-analytic data?
>>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> I am conducting a meta-analysis on the causes and consequences of
>> human-nature connectedness. As most of the studies were correlational, I
>> collected zero order Pearson r correlations between HNC and let's say 3
>> moderators (Exposure to nature, human-welfare and nature conservation). I
>> was able to obtain positive and moderate estimates in running one model by
>> moderator with lab and study as random effect thanks to the rma.mv
>> function which was great.
>>
>> My only concern now if whether we could somehow infer causality from those
>> meta-analytic data in making Structural Equation Modelling (SEM) on those
>> data. I saw that the MetaSEM package can do so but I have the feeling that
>> it is not using the same structure/function as metafor (e.g. meta3 instead
>> of rma.mv) leading to some discrepancies.
>>
>> I would like to know if someone has developed a package or a function to do
>> this type of causal analysis from meta-analytic correlation data.
>>
>> The aim would be validate (or invalidate) a model where exposure to nature
>> increases HNC which in turn increases Nature conservation and welfare
>> (rather than the opposite). I don(t know if it is feasible but would be
>> great if so.
>>
>> Any advice would be more than welcome :-)
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>> Gladys
>
>
>
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> Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 09:00:10 +0100
> From: Gladys Barragan-Jason <gladou86 at gmail.com>
> To: "Viechtbauer, Wolfgang (SP)"
> <wolfgang.viechtbauer at maastrichtuniversity.nl>,
> r-sig-meta-analysis at r-project.org
> Subject: Re: [R-meta] SEM of correlational meta-analytic data?
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> Dear Wolfgang,
> Thanks for your helpful reply. Actually I am not (randomly) assuming the
> causality. For instance, most of the correlational studies I included in
> the meta-analysis (from which I extracted Pearson correlations) also
> performed a SEM showing that Human-nature connectedness mediates the
> effect. Would reporting how many papers actually report such causation
> and/or making a meta-analysis on the extracted beta would make more sense?
> For the latter possibility, another problem is that the number of
> moderators included in the the SEM would differ between studies...
> What do you think?
> Thanks a lot for your reply.
> Best,
> Gladys
>
> Le dim. 17 janv. 2021 ? 12:11, Viechtbauer, Wolfgang (SP) <
> wolfgang.viechtbauer at maastrichtuniversity.nl> a ?crit :
>
>> Dear Gladys,
>>
>> Inferring causality from observational data is tricky business. SEM (with
>> primary data) or meta-analytic structural equation modeling (MASEM) does
>> not magically allow us to do so just by fitting some model.
>>
>> But if you want to do MASEM, then the MetaSEM package is a good choice. I
>> also recently added some functionality to metafor that goes a bit in the
>> same direction. See:
>>
>> https://wviechtb.github.io/metafor/reference/rcalc.html
>> https://wviechtb.github.io/metafor/reference/matreg.html
>>
>> Note that you will need to install the 'devel' version of metafor to make
>> use of these functions:
>>
>> https://wviechtb.github.io/metafor/index.html#installation
>>
>> Best,
>> Wolfgang
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: R-sig-meta-analysis [mailto:
>> r-sig-meta-analysis-bounces at r-project.org]
>>> On Behalf Of Gladys Barragan-Jason
>>> Sent: Sunday, 17 January, 2021 11:23
>>> To: r-sig-meta-analysis at r-project.org
>>> Subject: [R-meta] SEM of correlational meta-analytic data?
>>>
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>> I am conducting a meta-analysis on the causes and consequences of
>>> human-nature connectedness. As most of the studies were correlational, I
>>> collected zero order Pearson r correlations between HNC and let's say 3
>>> moderators (Exposure to nature, human-welfare and nature conservation). I
>>> was able to obtain positive and moderate estimates in running one model by
>>> moderator with lab and study as random effect thanks to the rma.mv
>>> function which was great.
>>>
>>> My only concern now if whether we could somehow infer causality from those
>>> meta-analytic data in making Structural Equation Modelling (SEM) on those
>>> data. I saw that the MetaSEM package can do so but I have the feeling that
>>> it is not using the same structure/function as metafor (e.g. meta3 instead
>>> of rma.mv) leading to some discrepancies.
>>>
>>> I would like to know if someone has developed a package or a function to
>> do
>>> this type of causal analysis from meta-analytic correlation data.
>>>
>>> The aim would be validate (or invalidate) a model where exposure to nature
>>> increases HNC which in turn increases Nature conservation and welfare
>>> (rather than the opposite). I don(t know if it is feasible but would be
>>> great if so.
>>>
>>> Any advice would be more than welcome :-)
>>>
>>> All the best,
>>>
>>> Gladys
>