Skip to content
Prev 3634 / 20628 Next

Another case of -1.0 correlation of random effects

Kevin E. Thorpe wrote:
It's not entirely clear whether Subjects are unique within Treatments
(OK, maybe we should say "nested") or whether the same Subject can have
both Treatments  -- what would xtabs(~Subject+Dose+Treatment) look like?

  *If* each Subject appears in only one Treatment (i.e., 5 doses per
Subject, each Subject is either Oat or Barley, 12 Subjects per
Treatment), which is what I initially took for granted, then it makes
perfect sense to me that you can't specify Treatment|Subject, because
Treatment does not vary within Subject -- there doesn't seem to be any
way you can recover information about how the effect of Treatment varies
among Subject.

  Since your plots do look reasonably linear within Subject,

iAUC~Treatment*Dose+(Dose|Subject)

 seems best to me.
For what it's worth, this example closely parallels the Orthodont
example in the nlme package ...

Thread (28 messages)

Kevin E. Thorpe Another case of -1.0 correlation of random effects Apr 9 Ben Bolker Another case of -1.0 correlation of random effects Apr 9 Kevin E. Thorpe Another case of -1.0 correlation of random effects Apr 9 Ken Knoblauch Another case of -1.0 correlation of random effects Apr 9 Ben Bolker Another case of -1.0 correlation of random effects Apr 9 Kevin E. Thorpe Another case of -1.0 correlation of random effects Apr 9 Viechtbauer Wolfgang (STAT) Another case of -1.0 correlation of random effects Apr 9 Jarrod Hadfield Another case of -1.0 correlation of random effects Apr 9 Ken Knoblauch Another case of -1.0 correlation of random effects Apr 9 Kevin E. Thorpe Another case of -1.0 correlation of random effects Apr 9 Kevin E. Thorpe Another case of -1.0 correlation of random effects Apr 12 Douglas Bates Another case of -1.0 correlation of random effects Apr 12 Kevin E. Thorpe Another case of -1.0 correlation of random effects Apr 12 Viechtbauer Wolfgang (STAT) Another case of -1.0 correlation of random effects Apr 12 Douglas Bates Another case of -1.0 correlation of random effects Apr 12 Kevin E. Thorpe Another case of -1.0 correlation of random effects Apr 13 Ben Bolker Another case of -1.0 correlation of random effects Apr 13 Douglas Bates Another case of -1.0 correlation of random effects Apr 13 Kevin E. Thorpe Another case of -1.0 correlation of random effects Apr 13 Ben Bolker Another case of -1.0 correlation of random effects Apr 13 Kevin E. Thorpe Another case of -1.0 correlation of random effects Apr 13 Douglas Bates Another case of -1.0 correlation of random effects Apr 13 Kevin E. Thorpe Another case of -1.0 correlation of random effects Apr 13 Kevin E. Thorpe Another case of -1.0 correlation of random effects Apr 15 Andrew Dolman Another case of -1.0 correlation of random effects Apr 16 Kevin E. Thorpe Another case of -1.0 correlation of random effects Apr 16 Andrew Dolman Another case of -1.0 correlation of random effects Apr 16 Kevin E. Thorpe Another case of -1.0 correlation of random effects Apr 16