Model selection and averaging
How different are your results? Are you using Laplace or AGQ in lmer? Are the results really very different? (Two possibilities that aren't "really different": (1) p-values on either side of a magic p=0.05 line but numerically reasonably close; (2) estimates that are biologically (or whatever) significantly different, but with confidence intervals on each that suggest we can't really tell them apart.) In one small example <http://glmm.wdfiles.com/local--files/examples/culcita_glmm.pdf> I got similar results between the two. More details? Ben Bolker
Marcio M. de Morais Jr. wrote:
Thank you Luca Reading that I interpreted you could choose REML or ML for lmer, but glmer would use REML. I thought that, mainly because I have got different results fitting the same model in glmer and glmmML and differences in REML and ML could be the reason. Cheers, Marcio 2009/12/8 Luca Borger <lborger at uoguelph.ca>
Hello
is there any package capable to do model selection using a glmm object fitted by ML?
unless I got this wrong, GLMMs are fitted by ML. If you type
?lmer
after loading the lme4 library you can see that it says:
"REML logical argument to lmer only."
HTH
Cheers,
Luca
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From: "Marcio M. de Morais Jr." <moraisjr at gmail.com>
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Sent: Tuesday, 8 December, 2009 13:37:28 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam / Berlin /
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Subject: [R-sig-ME] Model selection and averaging
Dear list members,
I am using glmmML package to access the effects of variables on
presence-absence data set. I intend to use IC model selection and
averaging, and have looked for a package to do it. I have found none that
can work with glmmML objects, but MuMIn works with glmer. Since my models
are only different in their fixed effects, I would like to know if it is
correct to use model selection for glmer objects that are fitted by REML. I
have read that models fitted by REML can be compared only if they are
different in their random effect. Is that right? If it is, is there any
package capable to do model selection using a glmm object fitted by ML?
Thank you very much for your consideration
Marcio de Morais
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