GLMMs to identify the pure seasonal effect in a repeated measurement
Dear Thierry, many thanks for your answer. I checked the output of my models again, and the random term when time was both fixed and random, indeed was always almost zero. I think, i should clarify my sampling design briefly. The plot was subdivided in 30 subplots. A subplot was subdivided into 12 sampling locations on a regular grid. For each time point, a unique pair of 2 neighboring sampling locations were sampled. Meaning, the x,y-coordinates are different for each sampling date, together they form a perfect grid with 360 points. I can see using locationIDs, but technically they are not from the same exact location for each date; which is why i liked the 'correlation' argument in the lme models, in which i could use x,y coordinates. Is there a way to incorporate this into the glmer.nb model you have proposed? Thank you very much! Tim
On 24.11.2015 10:30, Thierry Onkelinx wrote:
Dear Tim, Have a look at the INLA package (www.r-inla.org <http://www.r-inla.org>). It allows you to model spatially correlated random effects, temporally correlated random effects, use a negative binomial distribution and specify linear combination (needed for the posthoc tests). Downside: it's not for the faint of heart. Having time as factor both in the fixed and random part is useless. See http://rpubs.com/INBOstats/both_fixed_random Assuming that you revisited the same locations, then a reasonable simple model would be: fit <- lme4::glmer.nb(abundance ~ time + (1|locationID)) pro: - negative binomial - repeated visits to the locations acknowledged - post hoc test of time via glht contra: - compound symmetry correlation for location instead of spatial correlation - no temporal correlation Best regards, ir. Thierry Onkelinx Instituut voor natuur- en bosonderzoek / Research Institute for Nature and Forest team Biometrie & Kwaliteitszorg / team Biometrics & Quality Assurance Kliniekstraat 25 1070 Anderlecht Belgium To call in the statistician after the experiment is done may be no more than asking him to perform a post-mortem examination: he may be able to say what the experiment died of. ~ Sir Ronald Aylmer Fisher The plural of anecdote is not data. ~ Roger Brinner The combination of some data and an aching desire for an answer does not ensure that a reasonable answer can be extracted from a given body of data. ~ John Tukey 2015-11-23 22:39 GMT+01:00 <trichter at uni-bremen.de <mailto:trichter at uni-bremen.de>>: Dear list, i am very new to mixed models. My data encompasses species composition matrices from six different time points with spatial correlation structure. For each species, i want to know if there is a pure effect by time, f.e. if abundance changes can be purely explained by time alone. I used to glht() with time being a simple factor (so not accounting for the repetitive nature of my data), but this seems inapprobiate/wrong. So, i am actually trying to do: fit <- lme(fixed=abundance ~ time, random=~1|time, data, correlation=corxxx(form=~x.pos + y.pos)) with time being a factor with 6 levels (a side question would be, if it would be better to use "time" as.time?) Because my data is actually negative binomially distributed, i was advised to use glmmPQL, but this gives me only intercepts, no significancies or ways to compare models by log likelihood or AIC. The basic question is, if that syntax is correct? Because i have seen many examples looking at interactions, but never anything where the only fixed predictor is also random. I do get an output, which i can interpret and which resembles what i can actually see from boxplots. The overarching question is, if there are post-hoc tests for repeated measurements of spatially autocorrelated, non-normally distributed data. Thank you, Tim
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