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Van: Amy Wade [mailto:a.s.wade at reading.ac.uk]
Verzonden: woensdag 24 november 2010 14:44
Aan: ONKELINX, Thierry; r-sig-mixed-models at r-project.org
Onderwerp: lmer predicted and fitted values differ
Theirry,
Thanks for that clarification. I would like to predict data
for the existing levels of the random effects.
Many thanks,
Amy
P.S. not sure how to continue a thread - hope this works....
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Amy S. I. Wade
Centre for Agri-Environmental Research
University of Reading
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From: ONKELINX, Thierry [mailto:Thierry.ONKELINX at inbo.be]
Sent: 24 November 2010 12:47
To: Amy Wade; r-sig-mixed-models at r-project.org
Subject: RE: [R-sig-ME] lmer predicted and fitted values differ
Dear Amy,
The functions that you used take only the fixed effects into account.
While fitted() takes both the fixed and the random effects
into account.
What do you want to predict? The 'average' data (all random
effect levels = 0)? Data for existing levels of the random
effects? Data for new levels of the random effects?
Best regards,
Thierry
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[mailto:r-sig-mixed-models-bounces at r-project.org] Namens Amy Wade
Verzonden: woensdag 24 november 2010 13:29
Aan: r-sig-mixed-models at r-project.org
Onderwerp: [R-sig-ME] lmer predicted and fitted values differ
Hello,
I am trying to predict response values for a model with new,
unmeasured parameter values. It is an lmer model
lme4 package. I realise there is not a 'predict.lmer()' function or
similar for lmer models.
Having searched on the internet I found 3 possible methods for
calculating predicted values given unmeasured values for a given
parameter in the model.
This is my model:
data.m2<-data.frame(pods.bind,FUNGICIDE,N.TENTS,Day,HUMIDITY,P
LOT,TREE)
#where 'pods.bind' is cbind(Black.pods,healthy.pods)
m2<-lmer(pods.bind~FUNGICIDE+N.TENTS*Day+HUMIDITY*Day+(1|PLOT/
TREE),family="
quasibinomial")
Here are the possible methods:
#1
mm = model.matrix(terms(m2),data.m2)
data.m2$pods.bind = mm %*% fixef(m2)
predicted.1<-exp(data.m2$pods.bind)/(1+exp(data.m2$pods.bind))
#2
predict.lmerBin <- function(object, X){
if(missing(X))
X <- object at X
b <- fixef(object)
plogis(X %*% b)
}
predicted.2<-predict.lmerBin(m2)
#3
predicted.3<-exp(model.matrix(terms(m2),data.m2)%*%fixef(m2))
All three methods result in exactly the same predicted values.
However, when I plug in the real data I get different
for fitted(). This makes me doubt the validity of my
Could anybody explain why the predicted values, using these
differ from the fitted values?
Thanks for your help.
Amy
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Amy S. I. Wade
Centre for Agri-Environmental Research
University of Reading
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