repeated measures on split plot design
Hi! I am hoping for help with formulating the random structure for a data set that fits a log normal distribution. The data was collected from a split plot designed experiment (block: 4 replicates; v treatment: 3 levels; d treatment: 2 levels). d is nested within v which is nested within block; total n = 4x3x2 = 24; my random effects are all categorical hence using lme: random= ~1|block/veg, or lmer: (1|block/veg) I think I am OK with that but I can not figure out how to include the temporal repeated measure. This split plot setup was samples 5 times (monthly during the summer) for 3 years-> 15 times and I am too interested in the month and year effect. Ergo I do not want to average it out. Also from plotting the data there is an increase of the response throughout the year. Most everybody seems to be using the lme4 and not the nlme package these days. Is there still someone who could help me to write the temporal structure of the random term using the nlme package? my fixed factors are: v*d*year*month (I am not interested in the block effect) my fixed effects are all categorical m1<-lme(response~v*d*year*month, random= ~1|block/veg and what do I do with the 15month in 3 years???? or m2<-lmer(response~v*d*year*month+(1|block/veg and what do I do with the 15month in 3 years???? Thank you so much! Lea p.s.: I hope I don't offend anybody by writing things out for both packages.