Meaning of /, :, and %in% in lmer
The short answer is that (1|A/B) is expanded to (1|A) + (1|A:B) so you can choose whatever form makes sense to you.
Thanks, that was what I needed to hear.
There are different circumstances where a notation like (1|A/B) would be used. Some are reasonable choices and some are artifacts of artificial ways of assigning labels to factor levels. Rather than my trying to guess what kind of application you have in mind, could you describe a situation where you would want to fit an lmer model with terms like that?
It's a virology experiment. We have two ancestral strains. From each of those we have derived several new strains, and then have made multiple fitness measurements on the new strains. We want to know whether the ancestral strain has an effect on the fitness of the derived strains. The model I'm using for that is fitness ~ ancestor + (1|ancestor:strain), because strains are nested within ancestors. If I were using fitness ~ ancestor + (1|ancestor/strain), then ancestor would get both a fixed and a random effect, which doesn't make sense. I have a second question, related to the hypothesis testing of whether the fixed ancestor effect is significant. I've read all the threads about why it is problematic to do an F test to calculate a p value, and that it is better to do markov-chain monte carlo. My question is: Is there a proper reference I can cite to substantiate the claim that the standard (i.e., SAS) way of calculating significance in this case is problematic, or do I have to refer to the mailing list archive? Thanks a lot, Claus
Claus Wilke Section of Integrative Biology and Center for Computational Biology and Bioinformatics University of Texas at Austin 1 University Station C0930 Austin, TX 78712 cwilke at mail.utexas.edu 512 471 6028