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On 10/18/07, dave fournier <otter at otter-rsch.com> wrote:

            
I know it may sound pedantic but I don't know what a log-likelihood
L(x,u) would be because you are treating parameters and the random
effects as if they are the same type of object and they're not.  If
you want to use a Bayesian approach you can kind of level the playing
field and say that everything is a parameter except for the observed
data values.  However, Bayesians also need to come up with a prior and
that isn't trivial in this case, as I tried to indicate in my message
about the mcmcsamp chain taking excursions.

I find I can easily confuse myself in the theory of the maximum
likelihood or REML estimates if I am not careful about the terminology
and the roles of the different coefficients in the linear predictor.
I think I would call that function L(x,u) the conditional density of
the random effects given the data.  The parameters determine the joint
density for the random effects and responses so plugging the observed
values of the responses into this expression yields the conditional
density of the random effects.
I think that is what I would call the conditional modes of the random
effects.  These depend on the observed responses and the model
parameters.
I'm getting a little bit lost here.  In the example you sent based on
Harold's discussion, the dimension of x is 3 and the dimension of u is
10 so Sigma is a 13 by 13 matrix, right?  S_xx is 3 by 3 and L_uu is
10 by 10.  To form the product S_xx*uhat_x I think that uhat_x needs
to be 3 by 10.  Is that right?  (I'm used to writing the Jacobian of a
vector-valued function of a vector the other way around.)

It looks like you are missing a _x in the first term in "uhat' * S_xx * uhat_x".

To evaluate L_uu you need a value of x.  I assume you will use the
parameter estimates. Correct?

Will the parameterization of x affect the result?  If I write the
model in terms of the logarithms of the variances instead of the
variances I will definitely get a different Sigma but will the result
for a linear combination of mu and some of the u's stay invariant?  If
it isn't invariant, how do I choose the parameterization of the
variance components?

Can you give a bit more detail on how you justify mixing derivatives
of the marginal log-likelihood (F) with derivatives of the conditional
density (L).  Do you know that these are on the same scale?  I'm
willing to believe that they are - it is just that I can't see right
off why they should be.